X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.2) with ESMTP id 960409 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 23 May 2005 09:45:48 -0400 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=171.68.10.87; envelope-from=echristley@nc.rr.com Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (171.68.223.138) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 May 2005 06:45:03 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j4NDiq3W006494 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 06:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 23 May 2005 09:44:59 -0400 Received: from [64.102.45.251] ([64.102.45.251]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 23 May 2005 09:44:59 -0400 Message-ID: <4291DE5A.1020209@nc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:44:58 -0400 From: Ernest Christley User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Technical Advisor References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2005 13:44:59.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CACC640:01C55F9D] Jerry Hey wrote: > I realize I am the only voice that is not enthusiastic about the > formation of the safety police. Jerry > You're not alone in that concern, Jerry. But I believe we can avoid the role of 'safety police'. It is very much a matter of attitude. George has a good point. It will be very difficult to come into a builder's shop a few days before a first flight and have any expectation that he will give any credence to a list of safety items. Just think, the guy has probably spent YEARS mulling over the position of every little ancillary bit, and here you come at the last second and tell him it's all wrong! (Even if it is just one piece, he'll feel like you're saying it's all wrong.) As Ed has stated, final inspection is NOT the time to get involved. At that point you're a hurdle, an obstacle to overcome before the builder can slip the surly bonds. The time for involvement is while the builder is still mulling. There must be a dozen major changes that I've made from information I've learned here. Case in point, I'm re-installing the oil metering pump (but with only two of the oil injectors), and will plan on running a reduced amount of 2-cycle based on Lynn's advice. The decision was easy to make, because I haven't built up an entire system that would exclude it. For a while, I was planning on installing radiators in the rear of the aircraft. Then I did a 180 and decided to move them up front like everyone else. Steve Brooks came over to look at my project and we talked about it. Now I'm planning on radiators at the rear again, and a whole slew of issues are simpler because of that decision. In fact, my engine installation has been basically static for several months. But I bought an 13B last week and stripped it for parts, so that a lot of progress is being made really fast. If there are any willing souls, I'd like to volunteer to be the guinea pig and explore the format and methodology of how 'inspections' would work. How will information be presented (verbal, written report, ???) to the builder? How will the results be fed back to the organization (will the results be fed back to the organization)? It's not hard to forsee the inspectors having concerns about an novel technique, but the builder either finds it excellent in practice or it's a dud like the inspectors say. How will the concerns and results be archived. I also think the group needs a motto to keep attitudes in check. Something to keep people from thinking they ever have police powers. Something to be stated before and after an inspection, just to set the mood and make the purpose clear to everyone. I propose: "What ya' gonna' do now?" -- ,|"|"|, | ----===<{{(oQo)}}>===---- Dyke Delta | o| d |o www.ernest.isa-geek.org |