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To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] ARPA.. RPFA... TBD... update
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 19:41:49 -0500
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As Ed lined out, even  in the States there will probably be few members and
all over the continent.
So the approach to use checklists and Bob's WIKI as a reference is good.

One more step in this direction would be to use single forms to fill out,
with the Associations head and logo to approach insurances. If it is
impossible to have whole teams or even individuals show up to inspect
installations, at least a uniform approach to the insurance will "look"
good.
Lots of miles and time can (and actually is...) saved by the use of cheap
digital cameras. If one pic doesn't show what is asked for a simple email
request for a different angle by an "online inspector" will do!
However if this should work towards the insurance question ("Will I get an
insurance at all?"!!) I believe the organization will have to be built up
according to standards. Thanks to the internet, distance should be not a
major factor - physical visits being a valuable bonus were possible!

Another step towards a fair treatment by the FAA, EAA, NTSB, etc. should be
an "incident/accident report sheet for Rotary installations".
Available by request or suggestion from the Association.
With the official seal of the Association this should be a welcome,
invaluable help for ANY investigation involving a Rotary.
If the report sheet is made up in terms that a Rotary-guy, but not
neccessary aviation-guy can "read" it, select members of typ clubs (as
suggested by Dave ...) could be very objective help for the investigation -
and not generally damaging to the "Fly Rotary" cause. (If the
incident/accident is caused by a faulty Rotary installation, at least it
will be objectivly evaluated). As previously mentioned, that at a similar
accident the local Mazda dealer was consulted, which most likely never sees
an engine from the inside - one might suggest to forgo Mazda dealers for
obvious reasons, unless they are actively involved in racing or engine
buildups AND use the suggested report form.

Most of this will never directly benefit me (but hopefully at least you guys
in the States, Canada and Oz....), but things get easier down here, if one
can show references for how it is done "up north!"

Thomas Jakits


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Staten" <Dastaten@earthlink.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 6:15 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] ARPA.. RPFA... TBD... update


> Ok... several things...
>
> 1) I am impressed by the response thus far. 25 people have committed to
> wanting to belong, help out, subscribe or otherwise be associated with
> this forming group. I am flattered by the nomination for presidency, but
> at this stage that is premature.
>
> 2) I need to clarify some things up front about MY opinions and position
> without taking the liberty to impose them upon the will of the group. I
> am not advocating us actively participating in Paul Connor's accident.
> We are not organized, we have not established any credibility other than
> that of a nod among peers (no offense intended to anyone). My earlier
> comments about obtaining the salvage were theoretical, as were most of
> my other suppositions. To try and throw something together to try and
> participate after the fact will (in my OPINION) not benefit Paul's
> Memory, the rotary cause nor the aviation community.
>
>     Make no mistake. I am motivated to form this group BECAUSE of
> Connor's accident. But I would be hesitant to try and form something and
> show up a week, a month or who knows how long and try to analyze this
> accident after the fact. At the same time, if the group (this will be
> group run organization, leaders accountable to members) desires to
> pursue intervention, I will not try to roadblock it. Likewise, I am NOT
> saying "dont contact Carol or Art", nor to not ask questions. I am just
> saying lets be careful that we dont set ourselves up to fail by not
> being organized and prepared.
>
> 3)   I am working the next several evenings. I will tally up some
> information as I get the chance. I will feed it back to the group. The
> group will end up making the decision to incorporate, and to establish
> leadership.
>
> 4) I made outreach to PL before his name came up. It was a critically
> worded but constructive (in my opinion) statement that as of yet, has
> not been published on his list. I sent it this morning. I have not
> recieved a response. I will not exclude him, but on the same token the
> likelyhood of any one person "hijacking" the list are minimal.
> Leadership positions will be based on popular vote with certain roles to
> require practical experience.
>
> 5) I will make outreach/contact to several other type clubs or
> manufacturers of kits for their input and feedback. If not me
> personally, once we organize, designate a lead person to do so.
>
> 6) We all have lives and other jobs. We have to accept that one person
> cannot do it all. I know I cant. I will also say that I have some
> personality traits that sometimes make me less of a politician and more
> like PL. Take that to mean what you will. I do not anticipate myself
> remaining in a PR role, but rather a technical role (once
> estabilished).. a behind the scenes kind of guy. In the interim (for
> however long that will be) I will do what needs to be done, as long as I
> am able to do it. Lets take care that none of us bite off more than we
> can chew.
>
> 7) I am not married to any name for the group. Lets just make it short,
> simple and easy to say. Pronounceable abbreviation would be a bonus.
>
> Dave Staten
>
>
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