X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [199.185.220.240] (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 953335 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 22 May 2005 20:34:15 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=199.185.220.240; envelope-from=echolakeresort@telus.net Received: from boucher-oddle24 ([207.194.26.42]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20050523003326.FRG25832.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@boucher-oddle24> for ; Sun, 22 May 2005 18:33:26 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.322 [266.11.15]); Sun, 22 May 2005 17:33:23 -0700 Message-Id: <4291243E.000021.05420@BOUCHER-ODDLE24> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 17:30:54 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (3001609) From: "Echo Lake Fishing Resort (Georges Boucher)" References: To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: The Rotary Powered Flyers Association X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-429124D32C41=======" --=======AVGMAIL-429124D32C41======= Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_IR2XA0V2QL8000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_IR2XA0V2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My hose info would be under cooling, if everyone sends there bits of knowledge the group can critic it & then it can be archived. This would g= ive builders a good starting point The info from the more experienced rotary members would be of great value to them.=0D Georges B.=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Rotary motors in aircraft=0D Date: 05/22/05 16:14:14=0D To: Rotary motors in aircraft=0D Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: The Rotary Powered Flyers Association=0D =0D Excellent start, David. You've got the ball rolling.=0D =0D The only problem I can foresee is that we are few and scattered across th= e=0D country, continent and world. Many are still gainfully employed (i.e. no= t=0D retired), etc. My point is for someone to go from Texas to Washington st= ate=0D to do an inspection as an example may be cost prohibited (money and time=0D wise).=0D =0D I think we need to have "regional" teams and some "reasonable" conditions= =2E=0D Like within 500 or 1000 miles or 2 hours or whatever. Otherwise, I'm=0D afraid the simple logistics could keep many folks from participating. Al= l=0D teams should (in my opinion) operate from the same basic ground rules=0D (whatever they turn out to be), our "checklist" should be identical so th= at=0D in effect you get the same "service and benefit" from any team that may=0D visit.=0D =0D My suggestion is to start working on a "Checklist". That could start her= e=0D on the list - not necessary for face to face for to get that ball rolling= =2E=0D We even have some material such as the "Best Practices List" and the Weki= ?=0D thing (that I am not familiar with) that may well provide a starting poin= t.=0D My point here is if we are to be successful we will need such a "checklis= t"=0D and if we are unable to develop one, I question how effective we are goin= g=0D to be. It should at least have a subpart that a builder could start=0D consulting from day one - as John Slade mentioned, with no guidance while= =0D constructing - people are going to be a bit resistive to having invested=0D time and money and then are told they need to rip it out and start over.=0D Help prevent the problem rather than help me fix it sort of approach. I= =0D know we could never cover all avenues and should not try. I think we foc= us=0D on the rotary engine aspect particularly the critical subsystems such as:= .=0D =0D 1. Fuel=0D 2. Ignition=0D 3. Controller=0D 4. Electrical Wiring=0D 5. Lubrication=0D 6. Cooling=0D 7. Motor Mount=0D 8. Exhaust=0D 9. Intake=0D etc.=0D In each case, we might start out with a brief description of the function= of=0D the subsystem, principles of operation, possible gotchas, examples of goo= d=0D (or bad) approaches.=0D =0D Clearly it would be a live body of knowledge that would continue to be ad= ded=0D to and refined.=0D =0D =0D Just some thoughts on the topic=0D =0D Ed=0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "David Staten" =0D To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =0D Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 9:41 AM=0D Subject: [FlyRotary] The Rotary Powered Flyers Association=0D =0D =0D > Polling the list...=0D >=0D > Interest in forming such a group. Participation requirements will be le= ft=0D > to be determined.=0D >=0D > Goals as previously stated:=0D > 1) Member Education and Safety=0D > 2) Pre-First Flight and Phase One Inspections and Support=0D > 3) Ongoing Peer Technical Support for rotary engined aircraft=0D > 4) Industry Liason (Insurance, Manufacturers, Kit Builders)=0D > 5) Accident Investigation / Rotary Engine Expertise=0D >=0D > This list serv can serve (with Marv's approval) as the means for=0D > distributing information regarding the group.=0D >=0D > It can incorporate separately, or as an independent EAA chapter, or as = an=0D > adjunct to an existing EAA chapter. Incorporate or add on to a 501C3 so= =0D > that expenses can be deducted by members.=0D >=0D > The Annual Business Meeting would be held in a public airshow venue, su= ch=0D > as OSH, SNF, or Pickneyville.. prefereably someplace centrally located = so=0D > ALL can attend with less than 2 days flying.=0D >=0D > Members would volunteer to be advocates for the rotary engine, provide=0D > peer safety inspections and technical counseling. Reimbursement for=0D > services/expenses can be considered and are to be determined later.=0D >=0D > We can better determine our direction and focus once an initial core gr= oup=0D > decides to start functioning. Once we know who/what our resources are,=0D > then we can better determine where to begin.=0D >=0D > David Staten=0D > League City (Houston), Texas=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=0D >>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0D >=0D =0D =0D =0D >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=0D >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0D =0D =0D --=0D No virus found in this incoming message.=0D Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.=0D Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005=0D =0D =2E --------------Boundary-00=_IR2XA0V2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My hose info would be under cooling, if everyone sends there bi= ts of knowledge the group can critic it & then it can be archive= d. This would give builders a good starting point The info from the more = experienced rotary members would be of great  value to them.
Georges B.
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 05/22/05 16:= 14:14
Subject: [FlyRotar= y] Re: The Rotary Powered Flyers Association
 
Excellent start, David.  You've got the ball rolling.
 
The only problem I can foresee is that we are few and scattered acro= ss the
country, continent and world.  Many are still gainfully em= ployed (i.e. not
retired), etc.  My point is for someone to go from Texas t= o Washington state
to do an inspection as an example may be cost prohibited (money and = time
wise).
 
I think we need to have "regional" teams and some "reasonable" condi= tions.
Like within 500 or 1000 miles or 2 hours or whatever.   Ot= herwise, I'm
afraid the simple logistics could keep many folks from participating= =2E  All
teams should (in my opinion) operate from the same basic ground rule= s
(whatever they turn out to be), our "checklist" should be identical = so that
in effect you get the same "service and benefit" from any team that = may
visit.
 
My suggestion is to start working on a "Checklist".  That = could start here
on the list - not necessary for face to face for to get that ball ro= lling.
We even have some material such as the "Best Practices List" and the= Weki?
thing (that I am not familiar with) that may well provide a starting= point.
My point here is if we are to be successful we will need such a "che= cklist"
and if we are unable to develop one, I question how effective we are= going
to be.  It should at least have a subpart that a builder c= ould start
consulting from day one - as John Slade mentioned, with no guidance = while
constructing - people are going to be a bit resistive to having inve= sted
time and money and then are told they need to rip it out and start o= ver.
Help  prevent the problem rather than help me fix it sort = of approach.  I
know we could never cover all avenues and should not try.  = ;I think we focus
on the rotary engine aspect particularly the critical subsystems suc= h as: .
 
1.  Fuel
2.  Ignition
3.  Controller
4.  Electrical Wiring
5.  Lubrication
6.  Cooling
7.  Motor Mount
8.  Exhaust
9.  Intake
etc.
In each case, we might start out with a brief description of the fun= ction of
the subsystem, principles of operation, possible gotchas, examples o= f good
(or bad) approaches.
 
Clearly it would be a live body of knowledge that would continue to = be added
to and refined.
 
 
Just some thoughts on the topic
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Staten" <D= astaten@earthlink.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 9:41 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] The Rotary Powered Flyers Association
 
 
> Polling the list...
>
> Interest in forming such a group. Participation requirements wi= ll be left
> to be determined.
>
> Goals as previously stated:
> 1) Member Education and Safety
> 2) Pre-First Flight and Phase One Inspections and Support
> 3) Ongoing Peer Technical Support for rotary engined aircraft
> 4) Industry Liason (Insurance, Manufacturers, Kit Builders)
> 5) Accident Investigation / Rotary Engine Expertise
>
> This list serv can serve (with Marv's approval) as the means fo= r
> distributing information regarding the group.
>
> It can incorporate separately, or as an independent EAA chapter= , or as an
> adjunct to an existing EAA chapter. Incorporate or add on to a = 501C3 so
> that expenses can be deducted by members.
>
> The Annual Business Meeting would be held in a public airshow v= enue, such
> as OSH, SNF, or Pickneyville.. prefereably someplace centrally = located so
> ALL can attend with less than 2 days flying.
>
> Members would volunteer to be advocates for the rotary engine, = provide
> peer safety inspections and technical counseling. Reimbursement= for
> services/expenses can be considered and are to be determined la= ter.
>
> We can better determine our direction and focus once an initial= core group
> decides to start functioning. Once we know who/what our resourc= es are,
> then we can better determine where to begin.
>
> David Staten
> League City (Houston), Texas
>
>
>
>
>>>  Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
>
 
 
 
>>  Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
 
 
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