X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.6] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 948881 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:45:46 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.6; envelope-from=WRJJRS@aol.com Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id q.154.51627ca2 (15875) for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MBLK-M06 (mblk-m06.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.39]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID72-3e03428b7f131dd; Wed, 18 May 2005 13:44:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 13:44:51 -0400 Message-Id: <8C729E86DA03B68-FFC-8DDB9@MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com> From: wrjjrs@aol.com References: Received: from 66.127.99.234 by MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.39) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 18 May 2005 13:44:51 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.12281 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Fatigue limit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MailBlocks_8C729E86DA03B68_FFC_91B0D_MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.39 ----------MailBlocks_8C729E86DA03B68_FFC_91B0D_MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Anyone care to do the math on the stress on each bolt used to hold a 6.5B >together? I'm no engineer but I do know one & he has pointed out that if >stresses are well below the danger zone, rolled threads vs. cut threads >just ain't that big a deal. (To back that up, he's flown with re-cut prop >bolts on wood props for probably more hours than I have total time.) Bill I totally disagree. While the stress level is well below the danger zone on either the 6.5 or 13B the problem with the bolts has come from harmonic vibration. Since the 6.5 bolts are so much shorter it is less likely to be a problem, but using cut thread bolts is simply looking for trouble. With high strength bolt materials a stress crack is far more likely to form at the thread. Since it should be easy to get bolts long enough why take that risk? The fact that "he" has flown with cut thread bolts on his prop proves nothing. The prop material is the weakest link in that chain. Ask him about thermal cycling in a steel/aluminum sandwhich next time you see him. I would also say reguardless of his luck, using cut threads on a prop bolt smacks of being aggressively idiotic. I have seen all six prop bolts SHEARED on a BD-5 with vibration problems. Not using the best you can get there is just silly. BTW if your using a 10mm bolt with a good steel, (35,000 psi tensile or better) the bolt is good for 3,650 pounds in tension. That never was the problem! I have suggested before that people look up a paper on prop drive systems and tortional vibration by Donald Hessenaur. He worked on the BD-5 prop drive system. WWW.prime-mover.org/Engines/Torsional/contact1/contact1.html Simple stress is rarely the reason for fastener failure! DO NOT TAKE SHORTCUTS HERE! Bill Jepson ----------MailBlocks_8C729E86DA03B68_FFC_91B0D_MBLK-M06.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
 >Anyone care to do the math on the stress on each bolt used to hold a 6.5B >together? I'm no engineer but I do know one & he has pointed out that if >stresses are well below the danger zone, rolled threads vs. cut threads >just ain't that big a deal. (To back that up, he's flown with re-cut prop >bolts on wood props for probably more hours than I have total time.) 
 
Bill I totally disagree. While the stress level is well below the danger zone on either the 6.5 or 13B the problem with the bolts has come from harmonic vibration. Since the 6.5 bolts are so much shorter it is less likely to be a problem, but using cut thread bolts is simply looking for trouble. With high strength bolt materials a stress crack is far more likely to form at the thread. Since it should be easy to get bolts long enough why take that risk? The fact that "he" has flown with cut thread bolts on his prop proves nothing. The prop material is the weakest link in that chain. Ask him about thermal cycling in a steel/aluminum sandwhich next time you see him. I would also say reguardless of his luck, using cut threads on a prop bolt smacks of being aggressively idiotic. I have seen all six prop bolts SHEARED on a BD-5 with vibration problems. Not using the best you can get there is just silly. BTW if your using a 10mm bolt with a good steel, (35,000 psi tensile or better) the bolt is good for 3,650 pounds in tension. That never was the problem! I have suggested before that people look up a paper on prop drive systems and tortional vibration by Donald Hessenaur. He worked on the BD-5 prop drive system. WWW.prime-mover.org/Engines/Torsional/contact1/contact1.html Simple stress is rarely the reason for fastener failure! DO NOT TAKE SHORTCUTS HERE!
Bill Jepson
 
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