X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [24.227.161.51] (HELO qnsi-xch.qnsi.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 913359 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:56:57 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.227.161.51; envelope-from=bhughes@qnsi.net X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C54921.5804A518" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Upper Airspeed Data on Rotary-Powered Van's RV Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:00:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Upper Airspeed Data on Rotary-Powered Van's RV Thread-Index: AcVJGLcIifbnnYWWQTyH7KTLmOToFAABj29H From: "Bobby J. Hughes" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C54921.5804A518 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, =20 I have been planning a Vortech supercharger for my Renesis RV10 project. = The plan was to run 4-5#'s of boost to bring the Renesis up to 250-260 = hp. However after talking to several engine builders most (3 out of 4) = advised against boosting the Renesis. Most believe the Renesis apex = seals would not handle even this low amount of boost. So.... I am now = looking at an Eaton supercharger that has a buildin bypass gate like a = turbo. It believe this is the same SS the Egg Subi folks are running. = They have a controller that keep the MAP at 31" all the time in the = lower powered engines. Not sure if the controller is an off the shelf = item or something they are having made. My current plan is to run the = Eaton unit with a manual control cable to the bypass gate and use it for = normalization of MAP not boost. I have a problem with the Renesis. It is = to light for the 10 and Fred at Conversion Concepts is working with me = on a longer mount to move the engine out several inchs. Hopefully lower = compression rotors will be available for the Renesis soon. Or better = yet.. a 3 rotor based on the Renesis. Oh ... did I mention I will need a = custom cowl...... =20 Bobby Hughes =20 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf of rv-7a Sent: Sun 4/24/2005 4:54 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Upper Airspeed Data on Rotary-Powered Van's RV I've been lurking the flyrotary list on occasion for the last year. I = plan to hang a Renesis w/Tracy's RD-1C on my under construction RV-7A.=20 =20 My questions:=20 1) Has anyone flown an RV with a super or turbo charged = rotary/RD-1C combination? If yes, I'd like to know how much flight data = is available - specifically upper airspeed under what flight and = aircraft conditions (fairings on? prop diameter/pitch/model/type? RV = model? ...). 2) For anyone flying a normally aspirated rotary with the RD-1C on = a Van's RV. If you've tested the upper airspeed of your aircraft in = cruise flight would you be willing to share your data with me?=20 =20 Background: The reason for this inquiry is that I naively planned to supercharge the = Renesis installation because I thought the airframe could SAFELY cruise = up to 200 KTS IAS (RV-7 Vne) in smooth air. At my typical NM altitude = (12,500 MSL), that would be 248 KTS TAS (285 MPH)! =20 =20 However, my bubble was busted by the Van's RVAtor article on flutter = (6th issue 2004). Van's engineers instructed their readership on flutter = - that Vne is really a TAS limit, not an IAS limit. A US Air Force pilot = and RV commuter corroborated the Van's article by telling his disturbing = TAS flutter story (first 2005 RVAtor issue). If you haven't read this, I = recommend it for all pilots, no matter what they fly. =20 I've decided to follow Van's advice and restrict my upper airspeed to = limit to 200 KTS TAS in smooth air. I don't want to be a test pilot. = Therefore, I'm reconsidering my plan to supercharge the Renesis/RD-1C = installation. The weight penalty may not be worth climb performance = increase if 200 KTS TAS cruise can be easily achieved with a normally = aspirated installation. If I can collect empirical data from RV Rotary = flyers, it would sure help my decision. =20 Thanks, John Burns rv-7a@comcast.net http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jgburns/Engine/Engine.html = for my = engine webpage. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C54921.5804A518 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef; name="winmail.dat" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IgIXAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEgAEAPwAAAFJFOiBbRmx5Um90YXJ5XSBV cHBlciBBaXJzcGVlZCBEYXRhIG9uIFJvdGFyeS1Qb3dlcmVkIFZhbidzIFJWALAVAQWAAwAOAAAA 1QcEABgAEgAAAAAAAAAKAQEggAMADgAAANUHBAAYABIAAAAAAAAACgEBCYABACEAAABFQ0IxMTNE MzU0MzhDQjQ0QjRFNEY2QTgzRDk2RTNBNgBQBwEDkAYA6BsAADcAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQAYpQRY IUnFAR4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAAgFHAAEAAAA6AAAAYz1VUzthPSA7cD1RTlMgT3JnYW5p emF0aW9uO2w9UU5TSS1YQ0gtMDUwNDI0MjMwMDAwWi04Njk0AAAAHgBJAAEAAAA7AAAAW0ZseVJv dGFyeV0gVXBwZXIgQWlyc3BlZWQgRGF0YSBvbiBSb3RhcnktUG93ZXJlZCBWYW4ncyBSVgAAQABO 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