Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao09.cox.net ([68.230.241.30] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c3) with ESMTP id 883109 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 01:08:15 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.30; envelope-from=ALVentures@cox.net Received: from BigAl ([68.7.14.39]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050419050727.QNYC19936.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@BigAl> for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2005 01:07:27 -0400 From: "Al Gietzen" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Area calcuation for Cone air filters was [FlyRotary] Re: Air filters Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 22:07:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c5449d$b619b720$6400a8c0@BigAl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C54463.09BD5020" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C54463.09BD5020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Area calcuation for Cone air filters was [FlyRotary] Re: Air filters =20 I'm just going to make my educated guess that for a minimal/neglible = loss of pressure head you would want a filter element area of 10 to 15 times the required inlet area of the scoop. So the surface area that you have, = Jerry, is getting into the ballpark. What is K&N's criteria? =20 Al Ed, the surface area of the filter is much greater than its = circumference x height due to the folding of the element. I just checked mine and each = inch equals 4 inches if stretched out. Thus the surface area on my 5.5 in. = round x 5 inch high filter would be over 300 sq. in. Jerry On Monday, April 18, 2005, at 07:00 PM, Ed Anderson wrote: Bill, =20 I did some research on the K&N site - they have a formula for = determining filter area needed - the trouble is there is no correlation (I could = find) between the area you calculate and the surface area of their filters. = So I just did a rough calculation of their filters surface area based on = small end - large end and length. On their double cone types I assume the = inner cone is only 10% the area of their outer cone (which is probably very conservative). I used the 160 CID 4 stroke equivalent displacement area = for the 13B and the below formula. Which gave me at 7000 rpm a minimum of = 53 sq inches required. =20 Then I did the calculation using the attached spreadsheet to compare = their different size filters for area - since they don't give it. Attached is = the spreadsheet for using the below formula and the calculations for a = truncated cone surface area. =20 =20 Use the formula below to compute the minimum size filter required for = your particular application. The usable portion of the filter is called the EFFECTIVE FILTERING AREA which is determined by multiplying the diameter = of the filter times Pi (3.1416) times the height of the air filter in = inches, then subtracting .75-inch. We subtract .75-inch to compensate for the = rubber seals on each end of the element and the filter material near them since very little air flows through this area. Ed A =20 =20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: William To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Air filters If one looks at the K&N cone filters, how big a one is required? Bill Schertz (really tight under my cowl) KIS Cruiser # 4045 =20 Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C54463.09BD5020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Area calcuation for Cone air filters was [FlyRotary] Re: Air = filters

 

I’m just going to make my educated guess that for a minimal/neglible loss of pressure head you would want a filter element area of 10 to 15 times the required inlet area of the scoop.  So the surface area that you = have, Jerry, is getting into the ballpark.   What is K&N’s criteria? 

Al

Ed, the surface area of the filter is much greater than its circumference x = height due to the folding of the element. I just checked mine and each inch = equals 4 inches if stretched out. Thus the surface area on my 5.5 in. round x 5 = inch high filter would be over 300 sq. in. Jerry




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Monday, April 18, 2005, at 07:00 PM, Ed Anderson = wrote:

Bill,
 
I did some research on the K&N = site - they have a formula for determining filter area needed - the trouble is = there is no correlation (I could find) between the area you calculate and the = surface area of their filters.  So I just did a rough calculation of their = filters surface area based on small end - large end and length. On their = double cone types I assume the inner cone is only 10% the area of their = outer cone (which is probably very conservative).  I used the 160 CID 4 = stroke equivalent displacement area for the 13B and the below formula.  = Which gave me at 7000 rpm a minimum of 53 sq inches required.
 
Then I did the calculation using = the attached spreadsheet to compare their different size filters for area - = since they don't give it.  Attached is the spreadsheet for using the = below formula and the calculations for a truncated cone surface area.
 
 

Use the formula below to compute the minimum size filter = required for your particular application. The usable portion of the filter is = called the EFFECTIVE FILTERING AREA which is determined by multiplying the diameter = of the filter times Pi (3.1416) times the height of the air filter in inches, = then subtracting .75-inch. We subtract .75-inch to compensate for the rubber = seals on each end of the element and the filter material near them since very = little air flows through this area.


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----- Original Message -----
From: William
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Sent: =
Monday, April 18, 2005 5:54 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Air filters

If one looks at the K&N cone = filters, how big a one is required?
Bill Schertz (really tight under my cowl)
KIS Cruiser # 4045

 

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