Return-Path: Received: from [199.185.220.223] (HELO priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c3) with ESMTP id 881681 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 03:40:02 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=199.185.220.223; envelope-from=haywire@telus.net Received: from Endurance ([207.216.158.117]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050418073917.WPUL25321.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@Endurance> for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 01:39:17 -0600 From: "Todd Bartrim" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Air filters Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 00:38:51 -0700 Message-ID: <010101c543e9$ab25a860$0101a8c0@Endurance> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0102_01C543AE.FEC6D060" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0102_01C543AE.FEC6D060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This thread has gotten me thinking about things that make rotors stop. So tonight I removed the an item of concern. There was a screw inside my airbox (under the filter) holding it down onto it's proper position. This was due to the shape of the intake hose trying to move it a little. However the heat from the engine and turbo over the last 50+ hours has made it sit perfectly without the screw to hold it and once the top cowl is in position it is captured and cannot move. But more disconcerting is another mod. Many builders have done this and that is the plastic steel (JB weld or Devcon) inside the secondary intakes in the end plates. During my first build I was all ready to perform this task when I had thoughts about a piece of plastic weld breaking loose and going through a rotor, so I omitted it. On my second rebuild (after detonation incident), I went ahead with it, thinking that if anything like this was going to happen I'd likely have heard about it and also thinking that the engine would likely just pass it through without incident. Now after reading Leon's testimonials about things as trivial as a bit of cardboard taking out a rotor, I'm again thinking about this. Plastic steel is incredibly tough, but when I need to remove some, I use my acetylene torch to heat it and it will crumble away in chunks. Now if the engine is properly cooled it should never get anywhere near hot enough to compromise the strength of this stuff, would it? What about on a loss of coolant or other overheat situation. Even if the engine doesn't appear to be damaged from this, what about the plastic steel? I'm not being paranoid or anything here, but just asking questions to promote thought about plastic steel. Don't get me wrong, I think it is wonderful stuff. Todd ------=_NextPart_000_0102_01C543AE.FEC6D060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This=20 thread has gotten me thinking about things that make rotors stop.=20

So tonight I removed the an item of concern. = There was=20 a screw inside my airbox (under the filter) holding it down onto = it's=20 proper position. This was due to the shape of the intake hose trying to = move it=20 a little. However the heat from the engine and turbo over the last 50+ = hours has=20 made it sit perfectly without the screw to hold it and once the top cowl = is in=20 position it is captured and cannot move.

But more disconcerting is another mod. Many = builders have=20 done this and that is the plastic steel (JB weld or Devcon) inside the=20 secondary intakes in the end plates. During my first build I was = all ready=20 to perform this task when I had thoughts about a piece of plastic weld = breaking=20 loose and going through a rotor, so I omitted it. On my second rebuild = (after=20 detonation incident), I went ahead with it, thinking that if anything = like this=20 was going to happen I'd likely have heard about it and also thinking = that the=20 engine would likely just pass it through without incident. Now after = reading=20 Leon's testimonials about things as trivial as a bit of cardboard taking = out a=20 rotor, I'm again thinking about this.

Plastic steel is incredibly tough, but when I = need to=20 remove some, I use my acetylene torch to heat it and it will crumble = away in=20 chunks. Now if the engine is properly cooled it should never get = anywhere near=20 hot enough to compromise the strength of this stuff, would it? What = about=20 on a loss of coolant or other overheat situation. Even if the engine = doesn't=20 appear to be damaged from this, what about the plastic steel?=20

I'm not being paranoid or anything here, but = just asking=20 questions to promote thought about plastic steel. Don't get me wrong, I = think it=20 is wonderful stuff.

Todd

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