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Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: fuel injector size, and redrive losses
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Mark,  Ford Racing is selling a new set of eight for $259.00 so I guess=20=

we will wait.  Thanks anyway,   Jerry

On Wednesday, March 23, 2005, at 09:25 AM, Mark R Steitle wrote:

> Jerry,
>
> I bought a set of eight 42# Ford injectors but in the end, wasn=92t =
able=20
> to use them and went with the 550=92s..=A0 I gave $320 for the set and=20=

> would let them go for my cost. =A0I=92ll split the set if someone else=20=

> wants the other four. =A0They have about 5 hours on them.=A0 If you=92re=
=20
> interested contact me off line.=A0
>
> =A0
>
> Mark S. =A0=A0
>
> mark.steitle&Austin.utexas.edu (replace &=A0 with @)
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> From:Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On=20=

> Behalf OfJerry Hey
> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:12 AM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: fuel injector size, and redrive losses
>
> =A0
>
> Ken, after spending the day calculating injector sizes, I ended up=20
> coming to the same conclusion that you did. The Ford 42 lb are perfect=20=

> for my application. P.L. recommended 50 lb injectors but for 225 hp=20
> they are too much in my opinion. Unfortunately Ford Racing is out of=20=

> stock. Damn. Jerry
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2005, at 06:06 PM, kenpowell@comcast.net wrote:
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> =A0
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> Jerry, the Ford injectors are not directly compatible.=A0 Here are the=20=

> details:=A0
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>
> Note that the electrical connector is the same (center spline=20
> top/inside and center lower outside).=A0 So, the Ford injector will =
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> up electrically but the fuel connectors must be different.
>
> Ken Powell
>
> Bryant, Arkansas
>
> 501-847-4721
>
> =A0
>
> =A0
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> -------------- Original message --------------
>
> =A0
>
> > Ken, are the Ford injectors interchangeable with the stock Mazda
>
> > injectors as far as size, plug and so on? If so, do you have a part
>
> > number? BTW sorry but there is no way you can run a p port at 7500
>
> > rpm and only get 225 hp. Can you accept 240? Jerry
>
> >
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> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2005, at 03:48 PM, kenpowell@comcast.net =
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> > But this graph was for a carburated engine so it really
>
> > proves nothing. Besides, the engine only needs to be as rich as we
>
> > want to run - you can't hurt the engine by running lean (I know, if
>
> > you run it into the trees on a 100 F. day that will HURT it!!!). I
>
> > have not seen any graphs showing power improvement beyond 0.6 on a =
NA
>
> > engine and with very little to be gained by going beyond .55. If
>
> > anyone can educate me differently please do so (no kidding, I'm=20
> trying
>
> > to learn). I'm planning on using 42 lb Ford injectors for my P-Port
>
> > motor, if this isn't enough I want to know (planning on 225 HP at=20
> 7500
>
> > RPM).
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> >
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> > Ken Powell
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> >
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> > Bryant, Arkansas
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> > 501-847-4721
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> > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:25 PM
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> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
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> >
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> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: fuel injector size, and redrive
>
> > losses
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> >
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> > Times New Roman
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> > Times New RomanRC Engineering's calcs show
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> > that you are good to 302 HP at 43 psi fuel pressure, .50 BSFC, and
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> > 100% duty cycle. Of course you can't run the injectors at 100%
>
> > (except maybe briefly like a drag race, not applicable to aircraft).
>
> > So at 80% duty cycle the 38 lb injectors should be good for 242 HP.
>
> > Enjoy your idle!!! Your injectors are big enough unless you P-Port
>
> > and turn at least 8000 RPM.
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> > Engineering's calc shows the same as the fuel calculator that I
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> > posted the other day. Four 38 lb/hr injectors, at 80% duty cycle, =
.55
>
> > BSFC, should be good for about 220 HP at the flywheel. I imagine =
that
>
> > will be enough for the current engine, but not by a wide margin. I
>
> > plan to run this engine as high as 8000 if I can, though I'll be
>
> > amazed if I can get beyond 7500. Don't need no stinkin' P-Port for
>
> > these rpms :-)
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> > HP figure for the flywheel, and rear wheels. The estimate for
>
> > the power loss due to a manual trans and diff is 15% on this
>
> > spreadsheet. Anyone know what this amounts to for our redrive, and
>
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Mark,  Ford Racing is selling a new set of eight for $259.00 so I
guess we will wait.  Thanks anyway,   Jerry


On Wednesday, March 23, 2005, at 09:25 AM, Mark R Steitle wrote:


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would let them go for my cost. =A0I=92ll split the set if someone else
wants the other four. =A0They have about 5 hours on them.=A0 If you=92re
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<bold><smaller>From:</smaller></bold><smaller>Rotary motors in
aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] <bold>On Behalf
Of</bold>Jerry Hey

<bold>Sent:</bold> Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:12 AM

<bold>To:</bold> Rotary motors in aircraft

<bold>Subject:</bold> [FlyRotary] Re: fuel injector size, and redrive
losses</smaller>


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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>Ken, after spending the day
calculating injector sizes, I ended up coming to the same conclusion
that you did. The Ford 42 lb are perfect for my application. P.L.
recommended 50 lb injectors but for 225 hp they are too much in my
opinion. Unfortunately Ford Racing is out of stock. Damn. Jerry =
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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>On Tuesday, March 22, 2005,
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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>Jerry, the Ford injectors
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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>Note that the electrical
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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> number? BTW sorry but
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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> you run it into the trees
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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> have not seen any graphs
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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> engine and with very
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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> anyone can educate me
differently please do so (no kidding, I'm trying </fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> to learn). I'm planning on
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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> motor, if this isn't
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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> 100% duty cycle. Of course
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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> (except maybe briefly like
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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> So at 80% duty cycle the
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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> and turn at least 8000
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about 220 HP at the flywheel. I imagine that </fontfamily>


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current engine, but not by a wide margin. I </fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> plan to run this engine as
high as 8000 if I can, though I'll be </fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> amazed if I can get beyond
7500. Don't need no stinkin' P-Port for </fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> these rpms :-) </fontfamily>


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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> the fuel spreadsheet that
I posted (stolen) the other day, it gives a </fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> HP figure for the
flywheel, and rear wheels. The estimate for </fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> the power loss due to a
manual trans and diff is 15% on this </fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> spreadsheet. Anyone know
what this amounts to for our redrive, and </fontfamily>


<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param>> prop? </fontfamily>


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