Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #18045
From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Monster Prop Air Brake
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:04:56 -0600
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Ed Anderson

snipped

 
Monster Prop Air Brake
 
Well, I will add one more possibility (perhaps the most likely).  I found out today by experimentation that with the big monster prop (76,88)  that if I pull the power back sufficiently, the airspeed decays very rapidly. Let me explain -  It appears that so long as I have the prop turning over fast enough so that it is providing a "no drag" to the air flow - everything is just fine.  However if I lower the power such that the prop is no longer a "no drag" component air speed decays much faster than with my old prop.
 
For instance if I am doing 89-90 mph (as if on final) with the engine turning around 2800-3200 rpm everything is just fine.  However, if (as I recall doing on that hard landing) I retard the throttle to around 2000 rpm (which I did that day as I was slightly over shooting my touch down point) , the air speed decreases rapidly and the rate of descent goes up considerably.  Never had that type of thing happen with the smaller prop or at least not to any noticeable extent.
 
I speculate that the combination of the  larger disk area (25%) of the 76 vs the 68 inch prop dia and the 2.85:1 gear box offering more resistance to the airstream turning the prop (compared to the 2.17).  So if the prop is  turning at least fast enough so that is not a drag,  there is no noticeable effect, but once the engine is retarded to where it becomes a drag component to the air stream - it apparently be comes a "BIG" drag component.
 
So don't know whether this theory holds water, but the effect is there and I found today that keep the engine at 3200 rpm resulted in a considerably difference.  Any  ideas from you prop guys??
 
Ed
 
 
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com <mailto:eanderson@carolina.rr.com>


My non-prop-guy (but RV-experienced) opinion is that you might have had a bit more drag but what you really had was a lot *less thrust*.

My 1st RV-4 had a 72" dia cruise prop (would run 195 mph at 2550rpm, 9.3gph in still air on 160hp) so it probably wasn't too far from your prop. If prop rpm at idle was set higher than around 700rpm (sitting still on the ground) you almost couldn't make the plane land because of the extra thrust.

Is there a chance that you got used to a flattened approach slope with the old gearbox/prop because it was still making a fair amount of thrust? With the wider ratio gearbox & pulling the engine to idle, I'll bet you actually got the prop slow enough to stop making thrust.

Charlie
(always trying to fly patterns at idle from abeam the numbers to touchdown)



Subscribe (FEED) Subscribe (DIGEST) Subscribe (INDEX) Unsubscribe Mail to Listmaster