Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #18019
From: Paul <sqpilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: engine running poorly
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:32:19 -0600
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Thanks for the response, Ed.  Any chance of you flying up here to hold on to the plug wire while I crank the engine?  Actually, I have a spark tester that is very simple. You just unplug the wire from the plug, and insert this 3 inch long device which has a boot that plugs onto the top of the spark plug, and then the plug wire plugs onto the other end which has a male "spark plug looking thingy" and it has a light in the center of it. It has a light in it, and it will flash each time there is a spark sent to the plug. The engine will still run, as the plug still gets the electricity to it, this is just an in-line spark tester that I use on the forklifts we maintain.
     After checking for spark, etc I think I will go ahead and crank it back up and run it a bit to see if it was just one rotor flooded. This is the first time this has happened. It usually starts within two or three blades. It is not cooperating at this time.  Must be female.  Oops...did I just say that?  Please disregard.
     The next step will be looking at/swapping injectors. Fortunately, I only have two (in the TWM throttlebody), so it doesen't take long to find which is not functioning.  Take care, and thanks for taking the time to share your experiences and suggestions.  Paul Conner
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 7:06 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: engine running poorly

Paul, I would suggestion (if you have not already done this) make certain that the "bad" rotor is getting spark and fuel.  Pretty easy on the spark just hold the plug wire in you hand and crank the engine {:>) - recall ever having someone do that to you as a kid "helping" fix a lawn mower.  "Here hold  this.  Yoweee!!  Yep! got spark OK".  I just stick a plug in it and observe whether there is a strong spark.
 
I have had the engine "run" on only one rotor - rougher than a cob.  In my cases, it has been a fuel issue.  Generally, its happened after I have "flooded" the engine or have a hard time getting it started on a cold morning.  One rotor will apparently find the right mixture and start running and eventually (if you can stand the rough running) the second rotor will kick in.  That may not be the case with your situation, however.  Generally 30-45 seconds of running on one rotor would clear up my "one rotor" operation.
 
The most likely suspect is the injector circuit to your "bad" rotor.  Try removing the injector from the good running rotor (along with its connector still connected) and install in the bad rotor.  If the bad rotor starts running then you know its your bad rotor's injector/wiring (most likely).
 
 
Ed A
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 7:46 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] engine running poorly

Well, I finished scraping the foam out of my new cowling ram air scoop today. I put the cowling on and wanted to run the engine to see if I was getting sufficient outside air into the throttlebody to get the kind of rpm increases that I experienced with the top cowling removed last week.  Engine was hard to start, and when it did start, it was obvious that it was only running on one rotor.  I pulled the spark plugs for inspection, and they looked to be in good, clean condition. I then removed one injector plug and restarted the engine, and there was no change. (the injector closest to the water pump).  I then replaced that injector plug and removed the one closest to the PSRU and the engine would not run at all.  Well, now at least I know which rotor is producing power.  Because I ran the engine so hard during the ground runs last week trying to eliminate the vapor lock problem, (250 degrees water temp) I'm thinking it might be prudent to just replace the spark plugs regardless of how good they appear on the surface.
      Next, I will switch the two injector plugs to find out if it is the injector or the wiring to the injector that is causing the problem. (after replacing the spark plugs, of course).  Any other hints or suggestions you guys might come up with will be greatly appreciated. I did turn the prop thru a couple of times, and the sucking sounds of the engine seem to indicate that the apex seals are probably not suspect.
     Will update my findings soon.   Paul Conner


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