Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #18011
From: Todd Bartrim <haywire@telus.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Belts
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 12:53:14 -0800
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
    Good point about the pulleys. My statement about never having a failure with a serpentine wasn't entirely true. I did have the tensioner pulley on a Ford Powerstroke fail. It was still under warranty and I was only ~a 1/2 mile from the dealership so I just drove it over. They replaced the belt with the new tensioner pulley but I kept the old one as a spare because there was nothing wrong with it (still have it).
    But Marvs post does bring up something important about belt tension. Belt slippage can lead to premature belt failure. Most older automotive V-belt installations have no automatic tensioner, while the newer serpentine belts usually do. This could be a large factor in the increased life of serpentine belts since they should always have the correct amount of tension. In the case of my aircraft alternator belt, which I have a multi-rib belt it doesn't have a tensioner pulley so it will not have any greater chance of proper tension than if I'd used a V-belt.
    Belt design has also improved dramatically as well. I recall in the late '80s we would never go on a snowmobile trip into the mountains without bringing at least 2 spare drive belts and we often needed them. My sled today has close to twice the HP with much higher load due to increased traction and yet I've never blown a single belt. Of coarse this is also helped by much better clutching design.
    So Tracy is definitely correct in his statement that reliability isn't a big reason to eliminate the belt driven accessories, but IMHO weight reduction is.
 
Todd

 
Good points.   I can't get excited about eliminating belts because I have never seen even a hint of a problem with them   * when properly installed *.  This includes all experience with cars and aircraft. 
 
I *have* seen them fail when pulleys were not properly aligned, debris or damage caused the pulley to wobble, they were overloaded, or other installation errors.
 
Belts are a very mature and reliable technology.  There may be good reasons to replace a belt but reliability is not one of them.
 
Tracy Crook
 
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