Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #16787
From: Jim Sower <canarder@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ellison, the missing piece
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:00:03 -0600
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
<... Isn't there a law of motor performance that says that two motors putting out the same horsepower are consuming the same amount of air&fuel, assuming efficiency differences were not significant ...>
Yes.  But an assumption that efficiency differences are not significant different is *fatally *flawed.  The notion that two engines will consume the same amount of air & fuel sort of implies perfection in the delivery of air & fuel. The point of much of this discussion is that the Ellison will deliver sufficient air with sufficient efficiency to a Lyc but will *not* deliver enough air efficiently enough to a 13B to enable the engine to make the power it should.  A rotary would perform even worse if you attached a Marvin Dribbler carburetor to it.

EFI is the way to go ... even if electronics and computers spook us ... Jim S.


Tom wrote:

I'm under the impression I have an answer.
 
Isn't there a law of motor performance that says that two motors putting out the same horsepower are consuming the same amount of air&fuel, assuming efficiency differences were not significant?
 
So if you had a 13b and a O-360 putting out the same horsepower for a single given 1 revolution of the propeller, they should be consuming the same amount of air and fuel during that 1 propeller revolution. (I THINK chosing 1 propeller rpm is a correct standard)
 
Bill pointed out that the 13b operates at a higher rpm, and we know that there's more combustion charges consumed by the 13b to make that 1 prop rpm.  The difference, the missing piece, each 13b combustion charge consumes a SMALLER amount of fuel/air than the piston powerplants less frequent combustion charge.   ???   So the 13b burns a smaller amount more frequently.   ???
 
If this is all true, then the Ellison isn't on the trash heap yet.
 
Tom

*/WRJJRS@aol.com/* wrote:

    Group,
     I want to remind everyone about how much a priority the large
    volume inlets are to us. I believe Ed Anderson was mentioning in
    one of his posts how difficult it can be to get a MAP signal in
    the airbox of one of our PP engines. This is a perfect indication
    of why the smaller throttle bodies used on some of the slow
    turning engines will kill our HP.

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