Return-Path: Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c1) with ESMTP id 721664 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:13:47 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.102.122.148; envelope-from=echristl@cisco.com Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (64.102.124.12) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Feb 2005 09:23:35 -0500 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.88,189,1102309200"; d="scan'208"; a="36334954:sNHT20679360" Received: from [172.18.179.151] (echristl-linux.cisco.com [172.18.179.151]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j19ECF1j013652 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:12:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <420A1A3F.9050606@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:12:15 -0500 From: Ernest Christley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040929 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: PSRU - reaction bearing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Lendich wrote: >Ernest, >This is something I'm familiar with, but can you tell me who makes this >particular PSRU and how is the sun gear attacked to drive shaft. > > This is a one-off design done at Lakeridge (8NC8) by Joe Hunt a few years ago. The sun gear apears to be a integral part of the input drive shaft. The propeller shaft is driven from inside splines on the planet gear carrier. > **** Firstly plain ball bearings DO take some thrust. Tracy does use > one in > >the front ( of his PSRU) I believe. >I can't say how much thrust it will take but it appears to be quite large - >take the size to your local bearing supplier and they will identify it and >give you a thrust rating. > >I know there's a 1,000 ft/lbs of thrust there, but how much is carried >rearward I'm not sure. > > > I have a bearing supplier that I've worked with in the past. I will get them in the loop. The sun gear is a tight slip fit into and rides on the inside of the ball bearing housing, which is 3/4" high. The balls are 1/2" diameter as close as I can measure, but I'm unable to get the calipers down into the housing for a really accurate measurement. I was thinking about this last night when I should've been sleeping, but I would think that the reaction forces would be a simple vector based on the helix angle of the gears and the input torque. Assuming a 3" sun gear with a 30degree helix and 150ft/lb of torque, the reaction force would be: 150ftlb*12in/ft / 1.5in = 1200lb of force across the helix teeth The part absorbed by the rear thrust bearing would be: sin(30) * 1200 = 600 I didn't take the time to measure the helix angle this morning like I meant to, but if the angle is 20degrees, the force at the rear bearing will drop to around 410, and 10 degrees will take it down to 208. >Question - is the rear teeth of the sun gear turned down before being >pressed into the bearing - I'm assuming it is. >George ( down under) > > > I took a picture last night, but didn't get around to uploading it to the computer. The rear of the sun gear is turn down to be a tight slip fit into the ball bearings inner race.