Return-Path: Received: from imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c1) with ESMTP id 721353 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:04:05 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.64; envelope-from=sqpilot@bellsouth.net Received: from [209.214.45.57] by imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20050209060229.YEVK1983.imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[209.214.45.57]> for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 01:02:29 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.8.6]); Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:02:22 -0600 Message-ID: <004c01c50e6c$eb305fc0$392dd6d1@paul52u7f5qyav> From: "Paul" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad day at the airport - Ellison Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 00:02:21 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-4209A76E53C0=======" --=======AVGMAIL-4209A76E53C0======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C50E3A.A0794000" ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C50E3A.A0794000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If there were an Ellison that would be appropriate for my engine, I = would spend the bucks for one. I have owned 7 different aircraft, all = with throttle and a mixture lever. Much simpler than the fuel injection = I am currently experimenting with....there would be no high pressure = pumps, injectors sucking up all my electricity, and no 43 page manual to = memorize. Yeah, give me a simple fuel system and call me happy. Paul = Conner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad day at the airport - Ellison Additionally, since these are built for aviation, you have a mixture = control. =20 Tom wrote:=20 Paul, Ellison is a substitute for a carburetor, some kind of 'new' = technology that's been around for some time and seems to be simple & = successful and has a good reputation. Avgas only, like a Cessna. = While there's no venturi they still recomend carb heat. I'm sure = there's a size that's overkill for the motor now on your bench. They = offer units for hp greater than most of these rotaries can put out.=20 Your statement of 'carburetor or Cessna' really rang a bell with me, = kind of a wake-up call. As for expense, for me I wouldn't have to deal = with the cost or issues you're encountering with the fuel-injection = setup. Microtech isn't that cheap and sofar not proven that reliable = overall.=20 Rusty, why would you need more than one? Consider Tracy's current = intake setup for his Renesis, essentially remove the injector hardware = and replace his throttle plate with an Ellison. =20 I've been sketching manifolds this morning and i can see they'd not = be that difficult to make out of either aluminum or steel. =20 Warning, I have no first-hand experience with Ellison's. Just what = I've gleaned from magazines and the internet.=20 My .01cent Tom Paul wrote: Does an Ellison throttle body have injectors, or is it a = substitute for a carburetor? Paul Conner -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C50E3A.A0794000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If there were an Ellison that would be = appropriate=20 for my engine, I would spend the bucks for one. I have owned 7 different = aircraft, all with throttle and a mixture lever. Much simpler than the = fuel=20 injection I am currently experimenting with....there would be no high = pressure=20 pumps, injectors sucking up all my electricity, and no 43 page manual to = memorize.  Yeah, give me a simple fuel system and call me = happy.  Paul=20 Conner
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, = 2005 10:18=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bad = day at the=20 airport - Ellison

Additionally, since these are built for aviation, you have a = mixture=20 control.  

Tom <tomtugan@yahoo.com> = wrote:=20
Paul, Ellison is a substitute for a carburetor, some kind of = 'new'=20 technology that's been around for some time and seems to be simple = &=20 successful and has a good reputation.   Avgas only, like a = Cessna.=20    While there's no venturi they still recomend = carb=20 heat.    I'm sure there's a size that's overkill for the = motor=20 now on your bench.   They offer units for hp greater = than=20 most of these rotaries can put out.
 
Your statement of 'carburetor or Cessna' really rang a bell = with me,=20 kind of a wake-up call.  As for expense, for me I wouldn't have = to deal=20 with the cost or issues you're encountering with the fuel-injection=20 setup.  Microtech isn't that cheap and sofar not proven that = reliable=20 overall.
 
Rusty, why would you need more than=20 one?    Consider Tracy's current intake setup = for his=20 Renesis, essentially remove the injector hardware and replace his = throttle=20 plate with an Ellison.    
 
I've been sketching manifolds this morning and i can see they'd = not be=20 that difficult to make out of either aluminum or = steel.  
 
Warning, I have no first-hand experience with Ellison's.  = Just=20 what I've gleaned from magazines and the internet.
 
My .01cent
 
Tom
 


Paul <sqpilot@bellsouth.net> = wrote:
Does an Ellison throttle body = have injectors,=20 or is it a substitute for a carburetor?  Paul = Conner
 

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