Return-Path: Received: from [65.54.168.119] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 616424 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:29:32 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.168.119; envelope-from=lors01@msn.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:29:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 4.174.6.225 by BAY3-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:28:31 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [4.174.6.225] X-Originating-Email: [lors01@msn.com] X-Sender: lors01@msn.com From: "Tracy Crook" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: More injectors? Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:28:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AA_01C4FFBD.18273120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:28:29 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2005 18:29:02.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[14C660D0:01C4FFE7] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AA_01C4FFBD.18273120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would highly discourage this too since it adds complication to the = fuel system and I have not identified a real idle problem to begin with. = The latest version of the EC2 has differential injector flow rates so = you could use smaller primaries and larger secondaries if idle was a big = concern. The RX-8 (Renesis) uses this arrangement. =20 Every instance of idle problems that I have looked at so far was due to = either bad EC2 setup or injector location (far from port). Tracy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: kenpowell@comcast.net=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: For Tracy, NBR of injectors? How about 3 injectors per rotor with progressive staging? This sure = would require a BUNCH of wires though! Ken Powell=20 Bryant, Arkansas=20 501-847-4721 -------------- Original message --------------=20 I don't recommend it but I do make a single injector version of the = EC2 now. Still waiting on reports on the two already shipped. Tracy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Hey=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: For Tracy, Single injectors? On Tuesday, January 18, 2005, at 12:51 PM, Jerry Hey wrote: > Tracy, would it be possible to eliminate two of the injectors = using=20 > the EC-2? I appreciate the limp home value of having a second = set of=20 > injectors but most aviation engines do operate with just one = injector=20 > per cylinder I think. Two injectors really complicate the p = port=20 > fuel rail if the injectors are firing into the bells as I am = doing. =20 > I know you supply the EC 2 for the Suburu. Does it also have = two=20 > injectors per cylinder? Anyway, here is a drawing of the fuel = rail=20 > using two injectors. With only one injector, it would be a = straight=20 > tube. Thanks Jerry > Homepage: = http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive: = http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html Replying to my own e-mail- after I posted the drawing, I = continued to=20 mess with the design and came up with a solution which is simply = to=20 angle the injector bosses and leave the fuel rail straight. This = will=20 allow me to use both injectors. The revised drawing is attached. = Onward, Jerry ------=_NextPart_000_01AA_01C4FFBD.18273120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would highly discourage this too since it adds complication to = the fuel=20 system and I have not identified a real idle problem to begin = with.  The=20 latest version of the EC2 has differential injector flow rates so you = could use=20 smaller primaries and larger secondaries if idle was a big = concern.  The=20 RX-8 (Renesis) uses this arrangement. 
 
Every instance of idle problems that I have looked at so far was = due to=20 either bad EC2 setup or injector location (far from port).
 
 
Tracy
----- Original Message -----
From: kenpowell@comcast.net
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Sent: Thursday, January 20, = 2005 10:24=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: For = Tracy, NBR=20 of injectors?

How about 3 injectors per rotor with progressive staging?  = This sure=20 would require a BUNCH of wires though!

Ken Powell
Bryant, Arkansas
501-847-4721
 
--------------=20 Original message --------------
I don't recommend it but I do make a single injector version of = the EC2=20 now.  Still waiting on reports on the two already = shipped.
 
Tracy
----- Original Message ----- =
From: Jerry Hey
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Wednesday, January = 19, 2005=20 10:24 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = For Tracy,=20 Single injectors?


On Tuesday, January 18, 2005, at 12:51  = PM, Jerry=20 Hey wrote:

> Tracy,  would it be possible to = eliminate two=20 of the injectors using
> the EC-2?  I appreciate the = limp home=20 value of having a second set of
> injectors but  most = aviation=20 engines do operate with just one injector
> per cylinder I=20 think.   Two injectors really complicate the p port =
>=20 fuel rail if the injectors are firing into the bells as I am=20 doing.   
> I know you supply the EC 2 for = the=20 Suburu.  Does it also have two
> injectors per=20 cylinder?   Anyway, here is a drawing of the fuel rail =
>=20 using two injectors.   With only one injector,  it = would be=20 a straight
> tube.     Thanks =20 Jerry
> <fuel rail layout angled i.JPG> = Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
>&= gt;> =20 Archive:   http://lancai= ronline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html

Replying=20 to my own e-mail-  after I posted the  drawing, I = continued to=20
mess with the design and came up with a solution which is = simply to=20
angle the injector bosses  and leave the fuel rail=20 straight.  This will
allow me to use both = injectors.  The=20 revised drawing is attached. 
Onward,   = Jerry

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