Return-Path: Received: from imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.69] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 591876 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:38:37 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.152.59.69; envelope-from=sladerj@bellsouth.net Received: from JSLADE ([65.8.33.233]) by imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.11 201-253-122-130-111-20040605) with ESMTP id <20050105043801.GDOZ2064.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@JSLADE> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:38:01 -0500 From: "John Slade" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: IAS and Vne! Whoa! Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:38:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal > IAS is a pretty good indicator of the amount of force acting on the airframe. That's the way I understood it. The main issue for most of us with VNE is the potential for flutter, and catastrophic failure of control surfaces. However, I've read that at high TAS there's another nasty little demon lurking called "Mach Tuck". The problem is well named, since it can cause an unrecoverable dive where the "tucked" part can be the wings :(. I believe Mach tuck is more related to TAS. Here's a quote from someone who "seems to know what he's talking about" borrowed from another list..... "Mach tuck is an interesting phenomenon, basically it is the result of the CL moving back as speed increases, increasing the twisting moment of the main wing to the point where it overrides the horizontal stabilizers' (or canards') capability to counteract it causing the nose to suddenly pitch forward, and in extreme cases twisting the wings off the aircraft altogether." I'd love to where these nasty little buggars live, so I can avoid the neighborhood. Unfortunately without destructive wind tunnel testing we don't know where they are till we find them, then we don't get much of a chance to document it. :( Anyone know more? John