Return-Path: Received: from out008.verizon.net ([206.46.170.108] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 557844 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:22:42 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.46.170.108; envelope-from=rotary.coot@verizon.net Received: from [65.239.57.116] ([65.239.57.225]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20041206182159.GGYW4287.out008.verizon.net@[65.239.57.116]> for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:21:59 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: res0c5l1@incoming.verizon.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:26:56 -0800 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" From: Ken Welter Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [FlyRotary]2002 crash of Taylor Coot w/13b Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1109764862==_ma============" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [65.239.57.225] at Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:21:58 -0600 --============_-1109764862==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Yes I brought that same point up to NTSB but they were stuck on the Mazda dealer mechanics opinion that it was from removing the oil injection. What does a dealer mechanic know anyway all they do is replace engines. The NTSB guy was very rude and acted like I was wasting his time, he said that he thought it was very unsafe to remove the oil injection as Mazda put it there for a reason so I replied that I have been flying an unsafe airplane for over 1000 hrs then. Ken >Perry, > > I picked up on the same item, at the end of the report. >One doesn't get galling of the rotor bearing surfaces from >lack of apex seal lubrication. Plus, the oil pump itself >exhibited galling. Sounds like he lost his oil pressure. >If he'd only be flying 1.25 min., that pretty much limits >it down to a leak somewhere in the path to~from the oil >cooler. > > If y'all have any doubts about the security of your oil >path, now's a good time to make certain that nothing can >easily come loose. > >Dale R. >COZY MkIV #1254 > > > >> From: Perry Mick >> Date: 2004/12/05 Sun PM 09:29:44 EST >> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [FlyRotary]2002 crash of Taylor Coot w/13b >> >> If Ken Welter is still on this list, he can fill you in. Basically the >> pilot was warned by Ken in advance of his first flight, that if his >> engine quit, he would enter an un-recoverable stall because his cg was >> incorrect. The high thrust line of the Coot was a factor. I don't know >> the details that caused his engine to quit running, but it was not due >> to the missing metering pump, as the NTSB report suggests. >> >> Tom wrote: >> >> >Sorry, I always need to re-edit my postings after posting. >>Here's the link... >> > >> >http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20020504X00620&ntsbno=SEA02LA072&akey=1 >> > >> >--- Tom wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >>While searching the net to learn about and inventory all the >>many individual >> >>components needed on a 13B installation, I bumped into this NTSB accident >> >>report. I searched these archives and I didn't see it mentioned >>so I thought >> >>I'd share it. Pardon me if you all have seen it. >> >> >> >>Tom Tugan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >> >>Do you Yahoo!? >> >>Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. >> >>http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >>>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >>>> >> >>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >__________________________________ >> >Do you Yahoo!? >> >Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. >> >http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 >> > >> > >> > >> >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >>> >> >>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html --============_-1109764862==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" [FlyRotary] Re: [FlyRotary]2002 crash of Taylor Coot w/13b
   Yes I brought that same point up to NTSB but they were stuck on the Mazda dealer mechanics opinion that it was from removing the oil injection.
 What does a dealer mechanic know anyway all they do is replace engines.
 The NTSB guy was very rude and acted like I was wasting his time, he said that he thought it was very unsafe to remove the oil injection as Mazda put it there for a reason so I replied that I have been flying an unsafe airplane for over 1000 hrs then.
 Ken




Perry,

   I picked up on the same item, at the end of the report.
One doesn't get galling of the rotor bearing surfaces from
lack of apex seal lubrication.  Plus, the oil pump itself
exhibited galling.  Sounds like he lost his oil pressure.
If he'd only be flying 1.25 min., that pretty much limits
it down to a leak somewhere in the path to~from the oil
cooler.

   If y'all have any doubts about the security of your oil
path, now's a good time to make certain that nothing can
easily come loose.

Dale R.
COZY MkIV #1254


 
> From: Perry Mick <pjmick@viclink.com>
> Date: 2004/12/05 Sun PM 09:29:44 EST
> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: [FlyRotary]2002 crash of Taylor Coot w/13b
>
> If Ken Welter is still on this list, he can fill you in. Basically the
> pilot was warned by Ken in advance of his first flight, that if his
> engine quit, he would enter an un-recoverable stall because his cg was
> incorrect. The high thrust line of the Coot was a factor. I don't know
> the details that caused his engine to quit running, but it was not due
> to the missing metering pump, as the NTSB report suggests.
>
> Tom wrote:
>
> >Sorry,  I always need to re-edit my postings after posting.  Here's the link...
> >
> >http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20020504X00620&ntsbno=SEA02LA072&akey=1
> >
> >--- Tom <tomtugan@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> >>While searching the net to learn about and inventory all the many individual
> >>components needed on a 13B installation, I bumped into this NTSB accident
> >>report.  I searched these archives and I didn't see it mentioned so I thought
> >>I'd share it.  Pardon me if you all have seen it.  
> >>
> >>Tom Tugan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>          
> >>__________________________________
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> >>Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.
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> > 
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