Return-Path: Received: from outgoing.bmi.net ([66.97.95.34] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP id 454686 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:32:22 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.97.95.34; envelope-from=tphy@bmi.net Received: from v58zq (dialup-ras2-3.pdx.or.uspops.net [216.239.166.3]) by outgoing.bmi.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 12AFF45F for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <03db01c4abb4$a32b3f80$37a6efd8@v58zq> From: "Thomas Phy" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: No Start 13B Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:56:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03D8_01C4AB79.F55CAAE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03D8_01C4AB79.F55CAAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageEd, Just called my engine guru, same suggestion, only he said 90 = wt gear oil. I have the ATF so I'll try that first. Thanks Thomas ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 8:21 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: No Start 13B Thomas, I had a somewhat similar situation. My 91 13B engine got flooded = badly when my fuel injection system died with all four injectors full = open. Liquid gasoline flooded the combustion chambers and flowed out = the tail pipe. =20 When next I attempted to start the engine I found that I had no = compression. Now in my case, it set for six weeks with the intake = manifold off the engine before I attempted to start it again. I managed = by taking the exhaust off to free 5 of the six apex seals which were = stuck in their grooves. It appeared that the gasoline washed off all = the oil and with the intake manifold off the apex seals/slots got enough = moist air to oxidized slightly - enough to cause the seals to stick in = their groves. =20 I could never get the sixth seal unstuck by poking through the exhaust = port so finally had to take the engine apart. However, in you case, a solution I have heard is to pour Automatic = Transmission Fluid into the engine through the spark plug holes, replace = the plugs and rotate the engine. If that doesn't work you might get a = brass or aluminum strip that you can push on the apex seals with and try = pushing them into their slots. As I said I got 5 of the 6 seals working = again by that method. But, in you case I think I would try the Automatic Transmission Fluid = trick first. Good Luck Ed Anderson ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas Phy=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:31 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] No Start 13B Help, I made the mistake of starting my 91 rx 7 up, put it in the = garage, shut it down. Thats it! went to start her up the next day, = flooded! Pulled the plugs cleaned them up (almost new), Now it spins = over with absollutly no compression!!! (Yes I put the plugs back in) = Ran great until now, Any suggestions??? Thomas ( RV-7 Wings) ------=_NextPart_000_03D8_01C4AB79.F55CAAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Ed,  Just called my engine guru, = same=20 suggestion, only he said 90 wt gear oil.  I have the ATF so I'll = try that=20 first.
Thanks Thomas
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From:=20 Ed=20 Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 = 8:21=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: No = Start=20 13B

Thomas,
 
    I had a somewhat = similar=20 situation.  My 91 13B engine got flooded badly when my fuel = injection=20 system died with all four injectors full open.  Liquid gasoline = flooded=20 the combustion chambers and flowed out the tail pipe.  =
 
When next I attempted to start the = engine I found=20 that I had no compression.  Now in my case, it set for six weeks = with the=20 intake manifold off the engine before I attempted to start it = again.  I=20 managed by taking the exhaust off to free 5 of the six apex seals = which were=20 stuck in their grooves.  It appeared that the gasoline washed off = all the=20 oil and with the intake manifold off the apex seals/slots got enough = moist=20 air  to oxidized slightly - enough to cause the seals to stick in = their=20 groves. 
 
I could never get the sixth seal = unstuck by=20 poking through the exhaust port so finally had to take the engine=20 apart.
 
However, in you case, a solution I = have heard is=20 to pour Automatic Transmission Fluid into the engine through the spark = plug=20 holes, replace the plugs and rotate the engine.  If that doesn't = work you=20 might get a brass or aluminum strip that you can push on the apex = seals with=20 and try pushing them into their slots.  As I said I got 5 of the = 6 seals=20 working again by that method.
 
But, in you case I think I would try = the=20 Automatic Transmission Fluid trick first.
 
Good Luck
 
Ed Anderson
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thomas Phy =
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, = 2004 10:31=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] No Start = 13B

Help, I made the mistake of = starting my 91 rx 7=20 up, put it in the garage, shut it down. Thats it! went to start her = up the=20 next day, flooded! Pulled the plugs cleaned them up (almost new), = Now it=20 spins over with absollutly no compression!!!  (Yes I put the = plugs back=20 in) Ran great until now, Any suggestions???
Thomas  ( RV-7=20 Wings)
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