Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.102] (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP id 454665 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:22:06 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.102; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-069-132-109-019.carolina.rr.com [69.132.109.19]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i96ELRkd000937 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000f01c4aaef$0e941d30$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] No Start 13B Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:21:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4AACD.8746FAD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4AACD.8746FAD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageThomas, I had a somewhat similar situation. My 91 13B engine got flooded = badly when my fuel injection system died with all four injectors full = open. Liquid gasoline flooded the combustion chambers and flowed out = the tail pipe. =20 When next I attempted to start the engine I found that I had no = compression. Now in my case, it set for six weeks with the intake = manifold off the engine before I attempted to start it again. I managed = by taking the exhaust off to free 5 of the six apex seals which were = stuck in their grooves. It appeared that the gasoline washed off all = the oil and with the intake manifold off the apex seals/slots got enough = moist air to oxidized slightly - enough to cause the seals to stick in = their groves. =20 I could never get the sixth seal unstuck by poking through the exhaust = port so finally had to take the engine apart. However, in you case, a solution I have heard is to pour Automatic = Transmission Fluid into the engine through the spark plug holes, replace = the plugs and rotate the engine. If that doesn't work you might get a = brass or aluminum strip that you can push on the apex seals with and try = pushing them into their slots. As I said I got 5 of the 6 seals working = again by that method. But, in you case I think I would try the Automatic Transmission Fluid = trick first. Good Luck Ed Anderson ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas Phy=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:31 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] No Start 13B Help, I made the mistake of starting my 91 rx 7 up, put it in the = garage, shut it down. Thats it! went to start her up the next day, = flooded! Pulled the plugs cleaned them up (almost new), Now it spins = over with absollutly no compression!!! (Yes I put the plugs back in) = Ran great until now, Any suggestions??? Thomas ( RV-7 Wings) ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4AACD.8746FAD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Thomas,
 
    I had a somewhat = similar=20 situation.  My 91 13B engine got flooded badly when my fuel = injection=20 system died with all four injectors full open.  Liquid gasoline = flooded the=20 combustion chambers and flowed out the tail pipe. 
 
When next I attempted to start the = engine I found=20 that I had no compression.  Now in my case, it set for six weeks = with the=20 intake manifold off the engine before I attempted to start it = again.  I=20 managed by taking the exhaust off to free 5 of the six apex seals which = were=20 stuck in their grooves.  It appeared that the gasoline washed off = all the=20 oil and with the intake manifold off the apex seals/slots got enough = moist=20 air  to oxidized slightly - enough to cause the seals to stick in = their=20 groves. 
 
I could never get the sixth seal = unstuck by poking=20 through the exhaust port so finally had to take the engine = apart.
 
However, in you case, a solution I have = heard is to=20 pour Automatic Transmission Fluid into the engine through the spark plug = holes,=20 replace the plugs and rotate the engine.  If that doesn't work you = might=20 get a brass or aluminum strip that you can push on the apex seals with = and try=20 pushing them into their slots.  As I said I got 5 of the 6 seals = working=20 again by that method.
 
But, in you case I think I would try = the Automatic=20 Transmission Fluid trick first.
 
Good Luck
 
Ed Anderson
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Thomas Phy =
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, = 2004 10:31=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] No Start = 13B

Help, I made the mistake of starting = my 91 rx 7=20 up, put it in the garage, shut it down. Thats it! went to start her up = the=20 next day, flooded! Pulled the plugs cleaned them up (almost new), Now = it spins=20 over with absollutly no compression!!!  (Yes I put the plugs back = in) Ran=20 great until now, Any suggestions???
Thomas  ( RV-7=20 Wings)
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C4AACD.8746FAD0--