Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mail.aol.com ([152.163.225.162]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:03:31 -0500 Received: from RWolf99@aol.com by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.33.) id k.a1.d72e05c (4216) for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:11:12 -0500 (EST) From: RWolf99@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:11:11 EST Subject: Modification Philosophy To: lancair.list@olsusa.com X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Ted and Curtis have raised interesting points. I think Ted was driving at "Think carefully before making modifications because there may be other effects you haven't foreseen". An example would be deleting the header tank and running straight off the wing tanks. If you didn't foresee the subsequent requirement to change from 1/4 inch fuel lines to 3/8 inch you could set yourself up for a problem. This is a trivial example of the basic point. I think Curtis was driving at "The factory has told us to manufacture this part in a particular way but this other way seems easier". Maybe blind rivets in pushrods isn't the best example but there are many times where the factory approach is less desirable -- maybe you have a tool that most of us don't have which makes the job easier, or maybe you don't have that expensive tool that the factory has, or maybe you're more skilled at some manufacturing technique and prefer to use that one over what the factory described, or maybe you're stuck doing it by yourself and the four-handed approach won't work. So you do it a different way. So their discussion was a little bit of "apples vs oranges" but they each raised good issues. Since you asked for my two cents (didn't you?), I think both approaches have merit and risks. The forward hinge canopy most of us use on LNC2s is the result of a builder-developed upgrade, for example. So are the torque tube canopy latch and the main gear shock absorbers (both kinds). All of these positive changes required a fair amount of engineering, but if you can do it, more power to you, and please let us know what you've done so we can copy it if we want to. (It's a shame we builders are so secretive about our innovations, ain't it?) But like Ted says, you might be biting off more than you think. Concerning alternate manufacturing techniques, I think we're fooling ourselves if we say the factory and the FAA know all. However, there are standard practices that have proven themselves over time to be airworthy, and the FAA goes to great pains to get the word out. Having said that, there are many manufacturing techniques that don't make sense in our garages because we don't have the hundred-thousand-dollar tool or we don't build a jig because we're only doing it once. Or maybe it just seems awkward to do it that way. And Curtis rightfully said "I have a problem doing it that way, how about this other way of getting it done?" I'm fortunate to have the engineering training that allows me to say "I understand this substitution and it's okay" in certain limited areas. But I think I know my limitations and often ask for advice in the other areas. That's why this forum, and the telephones at the factory, and the EAA chapters and their Tech Counselors are so valuable. Don't be bashful. - Rob Wolf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>