X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:31:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.21] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTP id 7090915 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 13:06:02 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.46.173.21; envelope-from=bbradburry@verizon.net Received: from Desktop ([unknown] [173.57.170.65]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NA7001CRE4I38L1@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:05:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Bradburry" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-reply-to: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Fwd: John Deakin on climbing with a tsio-550 X-Original-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:05:18 -0500 X-Original-Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CFB625.B03B1160" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Ac+2TFUvQNyE3YOVTYyHH2q5efgdjwAAza/A X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CFB625.B03B1160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They are not clickable in my MS Outlook. _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Colyn Case Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:41 AM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: Fwd: John Deakin on climbing with a tsio-550 I had to size them down a bit to get by Marv but if you double click them you should be able to view them in a pre-viewer and get them to a legible size. On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Bill Bradburry wrote: Those landmark charts are not really legible. Can they be blown up for better understanding? Can they be found somewhere with an explanation attached? _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Colyn Case Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 2:13 PM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Fwd: John Deakin on climbing with a tsio-550 fyi - I put the question to John. Here's what I got back. Begin forwarded message: From: John Deakin Date: August 11, 2014 2:33:16 PM EDT To: Colyn Case at earthlink Subject: Re: climb with a tsio-550 Are you still answering aps questions? You bet! With a tsio-550 you have these interactions: - decreasing rpm moves theta-pp back toward TDC - decreasing MP if mixture were constant moves theta-pp away from TDC - decreasing throttle from max reduces mixture Do you have any idea of the magnitudes of these effects? For magnitude, I can only refer to the "Landmarks" chart (see below). It doesn't directly address your question, though. We've long suggested 200 RPM off takeoff power for noise reduction. It's not exactly good for the engine, but it won't do any harm. Better chance of harm of the TSIOs and TIOs, but still pretty benign. Then George did some noise certification work for the FAA, which involved heavy instrumentation of the Ada airport and surroundings. He got a lot of interesting data! One item was with only 100 RPM off the top end you get 90% of the noise reduction you get with 200 off! So full takeoff power from LIMITATIONs, reduced by 100 RPM for noise. Very, very minor effect. Now, if you're talking big radials at 60" MP, and often operating in detonation, that's another story! It is also commonly thought that reducing MP to 31 inches and rpm to 2500 is easier on the engine. So far as I can tell, this is NOT true. You are correct! NOT true. Full power to cruise altitude, UNLESS there is a time limit on full power IN LIMITATIONS. Best... John Deakin jdeakin@advancedpilot.com www.advancedpilot.com Next LIVE seminar in Ada OK, 10/24/2014 ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CFB625.B03B1160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

They are not clickable in my MS = Outlook.

 


From: = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Colyn Case
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, = 2014 11:41 AM
To: Lancair Mailing = List
Subject: [LML] Re: Fwd: = John Deakin on climbing with a tsio-550

 

I had to size them down a bit to get by Marv but if you double = click them you should be able to view them in a pre-viewer and get them to a = legible size.

 

On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Bill Bradburry = wrote:



Those landmark charts are not = really legible.  Can they be blown up for better = understanding?

Can they be found somewhere with an explanation attached?

 


From: = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Colyn Case
Sent: Monday, August 11, = 2014 2:13 PM
To: Lancair Mailing List
Subject: [LML] Fwd: John = Deakin on climbing with a tsio-550

 

 

fyi - I put the question to John.  Here's what I got = back.

 

Begin forwarded = message:

 

From: John Deakin <jdeakin@advancedpilot.com&g= t;

Date: August 11, 2014 2:33:16 PM EDT

To: Colyn Case at earthlink <colyncase@earthlink.net>

Subject: Re: climb with a = tsio-550

 

Are you still answering aps = questions?

 

You bet! =  <grin>

 

 

With a tsio-550 you have these = interactions:

- decreasing rpm moves theta-pp back toward = TDC

- decreasing MP if mixture = were constant moves theta-pp away from = TDC

- decreasing throttle from max reduces = mixture

 

Do you have any idea of the magnitudes of these = effects?

 

For magnitude, I can only refer to the “Landmarks” = chart (see below).  It doesn’t directly address your question, = though.

 

We’ve long suggested 200 RPM off takeoff power for noise = reduction.  It’s not exactly good for the engine, but it won’t do = any harm.  Better chance of harm of the TSIOs and TIOs, but still pretty = benign.

 

Then George did some noise certification work for the FAA, which involved heavy instrumentation of the Ada airport and surroundings.  He got a lot of interesting data! =  One item was with only 100 RPM off the top end you get 90% of the noise = reduction you get with 200 off!

 

So full takeoff power from LIMITATIONs, reduced by 100 RPM for = noise.  Very, very minor effect.  Now, if you’re talking big = radials at 60” MP, and often operating in detonation, that’s another = story!

 

 

It is also commonly thought that reducing MP to 31 inches and = rpm to 2500 is easier on the engine.

So far as I can tell, this is NOT = true.

 

You are correct!  NOT true.  Full power to cruise = altitude, UNLESS there is a time limit on full power IN = LIMITATIONS.

 

Best...

Next LIVE seminar in Ada OK, 10/24/2014

 

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