X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 15:10:31 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-alt.hserv1.homehost.com.br ([82.102.17.194] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTPS id 6901323 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 22 May 2014 14:19:32 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=82.102.17.194; envelope-from=ppxsn@novellisouza.com.br Received: from [177.52.212.82] (port=64755 helo=[192.168.88.251]) by hserv1.homehost.com.br with esmtpa (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1WnXZt-0017cz-8T for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 22 May 2014 15:18:54 -0300 From: Silvio Novelli Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B3BF3C6B-4441-4715-BCB1-BDB644507506" Subject: Re: [LML] Observations on Limited Life Items X-Original-Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 15:18:49 -0300 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List References: X-Original-Message-Id: <750E632B-15CF-49DB-9F1E-035FC9E17183@novellisouza.com.br> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hserv1.homehost.com.br X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - novellisouza.com.br X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: hserv1.homehost.com.br: authenticated_id: novelli@novellisouza.com.br --Apple-Mail=_B3BF3C6B-4441-4715-BCB1-BDB644507506 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi there, I'm using 1/8" teflon tubes covered with stainless. Strong, chemical = proof and flexible, just one line from pedals to calipers. No leaks and = no complains up to now, four and a half of use. Silvio Novelli Lancair 320 PP-XSN +55 (14) 9.9614-3129 On 22 May 2014,w 21, at 1:18 PM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote: Kevin, et al, =20 I did a NTSB search from 1990 to present for Lancair accidents in Oregon = - there were 11 and none involved brake line failure. =20 I flew my 320 from 1996 until 2013 with Nylaflow brake lines that = arrived, along with fittings, with my 1989 kit (over 1200 landings). = However, the lines in the stub wing to the brake were sheathed with = Tygon tubing to protect against nicks and abrasion and Adele clamps were = used to firmly support the lines about 6-8 inches from the brake housing = by screwing the clamps to the rear of the wheel casting.=20 =20 For all I know, the buyer is still using those lines.=20 =20 It is possible that unsupported lines flop around in the wind when the = gear is out and the line is weakened at the brake-to-line fitting =20 Scott Krueger =20 =20 In a message dated 5/22/2014 10:43:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, = kevin@arilabs.net writes: I think the big problem is the plastic/rubber hose. You really don't = want it to fail on landing when you are really trying to stop. I = believe a Lancair brake line failed somewhere in Oregon, airplane went = off the runway and smashed into a tree, killed everyone. Using Nyflow for brakes is kinda creepy for me... Kevin ________________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of John = Cooper [snopercod@comporium.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:43 PM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: Observations on Limited Life Items Chris-- I'll be using the synthetic MIL-PRF-83282 brake fluid. It has a "Fire = Point" of 490=BA F, as compared to 360=BA F (?) with the standard = MIL-PRF-5606. The synthetic is approved for use with BUNA-N. John, That could have been ugly. A friend of mine with a Glasair had a = rejected takeoff on a short runway. As he turned off the runway, his = plastic brake line melted and the 5606 hit is brake disk. -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --Apple-Mail=_B3BF3C6B-4441-4715-BCB1-BDB644507506 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi = there,

I'm using 1/8" teflon tubes covered with = stainless. Strong, chemical proof and flexible, just one line from = pedals to calipers. No leaks and no complains up to now, four and a half = of use.

      Silvio = Novelli
 Lancair 320 PP-XSN
+55 (14) = 9.9614-3129

On 22  May 2014,w 21, at 1:18 PM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote:

Kevin, et al,
 
I did a NTSB search from 1990 to present for Lancair accidents in = Oregon -=20 there were 11 and none involved brake line failure.
 
I flew my 320 from 1996 until 2013 with Nylaflow brake lines=20 that arrived, along with fittings, with my 1989 kit (over 1200=20= landings).  However, the lines in the stub wing to the brake were = sheathed=20 with Tygon tubing to protect against nicks and abrasion and Adele clamps = were=20 used to firmly support the lines about 6-8 = inches from the brake=20 housing by screwing the clamps to the rear of the wheel = casting. =20
 
For all I know, the buyer is still using those lines. 
 
It is possible that unsupported lines flop around in the wind = when the=20 gear is out and the line is weakened at the brake-to-line fitting
 
Scott Krueger  
 
In a message dated 5/22/2014 10:43:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20= kevin@arilabs.net writes:
I think=20 the big problem is the plastic/rubber hose.  You really don't = want it to=20 fail on landing when you are really trying to stop.  I believe a = Lancair=20 brake line failed somewhere in Oregon, airplane went off the runway = and=20 smashed into a tree, killed everyone.

Using Nyflow for brakes = is kinda=20 creepy for=20 = me...

Kevin

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From= :=20 Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of John Cooper=20 [snopercod@comporium.net]
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Subject: [LML] Re: Observations on Limited = Life=20 Items

Chris--

I'll be using the synthetic MIL-PRF-83282 = brake=20 fluid. It has a "Fire Point" of 490=BA F, as compared to 360=BA F (?) = with the=20 standard MIL-PRF-5606. The synthetic is approved for use with=20 BUNA-N.

John,
That could have been ugly.  A friend of = mine with=20 a Glasair had a rejected takeoff on a short runway.  As he turned = off the=20 runway, his plastic brake line melted and the 5606 hit is brake=20 disk.


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