Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #69855
From: Wolfgang <Wolfgang@MiCom.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: Gear Down...INOP
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 14:14:56 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Chris,
 
You sure base a lot of conclusions on one photo.
Lorn does not agree with you. (his photo)
I do not agree with you.
And contrary to your innuendos, I have observed and researched a lot more than you know.
. . . including my own set of test of control forces and longitudinal stability on the LNC2.
And you fail to acknowledge that the pressure could be from the gear being forced back up in the landing.
I detect that you check all possibilities when you want to support yourself but are not as diligent otherwise.
 
If you are such an evangelist about the pump, why haven't you made any progress with Lancair ? ?
Instead you keep trying to pick on me because you don't like my position.
 
The only unfortunate thing here is that you still don't want to let it go and let others make their own conclusions after presenting your position.
 
Wolfgang
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 1:47 PM
Subject: Gear Down...INOP

Chris,
 
Why don't we just agree to disagree. I believe in redundancy and it looks like you don't.
 
The pressure pulse you're talking about will subside (glad you agree) and as it does, because the cylinder is only partially extended, the cylinder will continues to extend, the low switch will close again, and enable the pump to continue . . . No, the damage has NOT been done.
 
The only way the switch will stay open (the pressure stays high) is if there is a physical obstruction preventing the from moving down any further (like when it is full down).
 
Learn to live with the fact that you're not the only one that knows a thing or two about airplanes.
 
Wolfgang
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Wolfgang,
It is unfortunate that you do not have a Lancair and cannot go out and observe what we are discussing. The extension failure has been observed by many.  The pressure interaction is clearly visible if one has pressure gauges installed in the panel.  It caught your friend Lorn Olsen off guard and he had a gear up landing because of it.  Damage was definitely done.  The photo he posted of his pressure gauges after the landing very clearly showed the state of the hydraulics during this failure mode.  And no obstruction had to magically appear in his lines to get it there.  Your module will not catch this failure mode.  One switch is open, one is closed, yet the gear is only partially extended.
Advocating not correcting a known problem is dangerous.  Attempting to use a patch to correct a problem is not redundancy. When the patch cannot detect a known failure mode it provides a falls sense of security.

Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std
www.N91CZ.net
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