X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:46:22 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.90.74] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTPS id 6795696 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 10:23:12 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.90.74; envelope-from=dudewanarace@yahoo.com Received: from [98.138.100.114] by nm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2014 14:22:36 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.160] by tm105.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2014 14:22:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2014 14:22:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 423252.45845.bm@omp1016.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 44489 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2014 14:22:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=CdyW5IPqmMov4TwZGY2PCf8z+mf19PajTTqllHYkPa5QSvkx6lzYI2MtDO4HUW3QwBpSe0Lq1OiOL5HLGBfqAqfMsg1r5big5Yx5UrEyC8CcxXagqCCG1RkxwWR7JWYYChchDyYWSxtKRr3zF0a0aEuT8Eq8sU92zNleguXme/4=; X-YMail-OSG: rRvVJiAVM1luN_hDdPvSByYu79l9.g0VI_rJIyIB.qi5gFU DxS_v6rE5zNd7hhJlsiiQ7Hblz82N5nqbkv9v1hG0CtznaW9TVaU6_17JNdP lrR7EnHj7zPyF9ZbC1S0ZOYFIyQxNCkZ7h17mFw6uvbG05n2SFcG.hM1zT38 crKJtwtNNXxJvJYQ9Bf2iwk7NomhCawCfg.TerBINelqZ4ZVWCFz.Qmt645K me.SXFPAhKJg84XJPbyly8g8DuhFTfTaC8A4i0yt2yCxhGELEHDSF1EpgjCD UfU_fJizJWQE1_tgGbfuxcGcNuoWywXhakp73lqo1dDXyI4TnCilIv0Va_4l DKGz1_g9NuAYlQ9asv3pSI5mEqK_8K7LyQYWXcFnC2u91cavfSoI65y8f3LJ WU9ccCeJexzONk4.pyDTDweq7NGrGugalwc6WPsMoATjklYxJWepTEj0l69m HYO4kIgbGVUl.HMd86828dBPmSVwJehmgy5L1NJrAaEQipRGc_f_8wsiK1O9 lQ5hWCXznkAbNdN0syXo9gvtxEGUcg1Sp0aC05EJ29d7wa.lRtNdbVL4jRm2 MjvWEu6CKemG2au.nNcgg7qDvg5HkmCBrekHhdF9rkt4sw6TgAYLyk71n6O3 qVGfaZwi4r9tnt_fbT3ug3i.vbWTxTipn.pTh0TelV5u_1RJLhvQ- Received: from [24.2.15.88] by web124705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 07:22:36 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,Tm90IHRvIGRyYWcgb3V0IHRoZSBzdWJqZWN0LCBhcyBldmVyeXRoaW5nIGltcG9ydGFudCBoYXMgYmVlbiBzYWlkIEkgdGhpbmsuIMKgQnV0IHRoZXJlIGlzIG9uZSBzY2VuYXJpbyB0aGF0IEkgdGhpbmsgaXMgdmVyeSBpbXBvcnRhbnQuCgpBcyB5b3UgY2FuIHNlZSBmcm9tIG15wqBZb3VUdWJlIENoYW5uZWzCoEkgaGF2ZSBhIGZhaXIgYW1vdW50IG9mIGZvcm1hdGlvbiBleHBlcmllbmNlIGluIG15IDM2MCB3aXRoIGEgdmFyaWV0eSBvZiBhaXJjcmFmdC4gwqBJIGRvIGhhdmUgbXkgRkFTVCBXaW5nbWFuIGMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.181.645 X-Original-Message-ID: <1395757356.15880.YahooMailNeo@web124705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 07:22:36 -0700 (PDT) From: dudewanarace@yahoo.com Reply-To: dudewanarace@yahoo.com Subject: Formation Flying X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="578871877-1466421639-1395757356=:15880" --578871877-1466421639-1395757356=:15880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not to drag out the subject, as everything important has been said I think.= =A0But there is one scenario that I think is very important.=0A=0AAs you c= an see from my=A0YouTube Channel=A0I have a fair amount of formation experi= ence in my 360 with a variety of aircraft. =A0I do have my FAST Wingman car= d.=0A=0AOne of the hardest things is knowing when to bail out of the format= ion. =A0Often I refer to this as a "Rope a Dope" situation. =A0Your #4 in a= n echelon and the RV leading the flight starts an inside turn. (relative to= you) =A0The desire to hold your position (station keeping) means you chop = the throttle and get very slow on the inside of the turn. =A0It is very eas= y to forget just how slow your going and the math starts working against yo= u quickly. =A0Know when to depart and have a plan for that, a plan everyone= else knows about.=0A=0AWhen flying with the RV's in the pattern, they gene= rally do a 3 or 5 second separation in the overhead break. =A0I ALWAYS make= sure I am the last one in the formation and make that 10 seconds or more. = =A0Then it is just a matter of working the angles to leave yourself enough = space on the runway. =A0At Reno, we use Hot/Cold runways, but that won't wo= rk with Bonanza's at your average local runway. =A0We also brief at what ex= it to use on the runway, it is an exit waaay down near the end, if not THE = end. =A0First planes down land a bit long, and keep their speed up (within = reason) to leave room behind for the others.=0A=0AThese sorts of things are= all covered in proper formation training. =A0FAST and FFI.=0A=0ATom McNern= ey=0Awww.N54SG.com --578871877-1466421639-1395757356=:15880 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not to drag out the subject, as everything important has= been said I think.  But there is one scenario that I think is very im= portant.

As you can see from my YouTube Channel I have a fair amount of formation experien= ce in my 360 with a variety of aircraft.  I do have my FAST Wingman ca= rd.

One of the hardest things is knowin= g when to bail out of the formation.  Often I refer to this as a "Rope= a Dope" situation.  Your #4 in an echelon and the RV leading the flig= ht starts an inside turn. (relative to you)  The desire to hold your p= osition (station keeping) means you chop the throttle and get very slow on = the inside of the turn.  It is very easy to forget just how slow your = going and the math starts working against you quickly.  Know when to d= epart and have a plan for that, a plan everyone else knows about.

When= flying with the RV's in the pattern, they generally do a 3 or 5 second sep= aration in the overhead break.  I ALWAYS make sure I am the last one i= n the formation and make that 10 seconds or more.  Then it is just a m= atter of working the angles to leave yourself enough space on the runway. &= nbsp;At Reno, we use Hot/Cold runways, but that won't work with Bonanza's a= t your average local runway.  We also brief at what exit to use on the= runway, it is an exit waaay down near the end, if not THE end.  First= planes down land a bit long, and keep their speed up (within reason) to le= ave room behind for the others.

These sorts of things are all covered in proper formation training.=  FAST and FFI.

Tom McNe= rney
www.N54SG.com
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