X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 07:51:37 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from omr-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.109.200] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTPS id 6795018 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 23:30:09 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.109.200; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaout-mce01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mce01.mx.aol.com [172.29.27.205]) by omr-d03.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D578A7000009B for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 23:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.131] (24-107-98-233.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.98.233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mce01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 7570038000098 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2014 23:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Edwards Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-957F0352-6339-4C05-8E0F-B337D11C53D0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy in Formation Flying X-Original-Message-Id: X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 22:29:35 -0500 References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Mailer: iPad Mail (11B511) x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d1bcd5330f81d6974 X-AOL-IP: 24.107.98.233 --Apple-Mail-957F0352-6339-4C05-8E0F-B337D11C53D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Recommend FAST training for all involved. Looks fun but can be deadly. Jeff Sent from my iPad > On Mar 24, 2014, at 9:01 PM, George Wehrung wrote: >=20 > Ed, >=20 > Wake turbulence is no joke. The AirForce just lost an MC-12 (King Air 350= ) after trying to land behind a C-17 in Bagram AFB, Afghanistan. The King A= ir was found pancaked in about a mile from the runway and facing 180 out fro= m the landing direction. No survivors. >=20 > I will attach this common sense FAA AC that you may or may not have read. = =20 >=20 > As far as mixed formation. Don=E2=80=99t recommend it unless carefully br= iefed and all players are experienced/current formation flyers. In the Navy= even with experienced guys on both aircraft, near disasters have been more c= ommon that not. Typical Jets looking at King Air and T-34C gear status and t= he reverse have occurred. =20 >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Mar 24, 2014, at 6:46 AM, ED MARTIN wrote: >>=20 >> Greetings Lancair Legacy Flyers, >>=20 >> Recently, I have flown formation with a gaggle of aircraft (non-= Lancair) that have some differences in performance. I would like to hear f= rom Lancair Legacy pilots that have experience in formation flying. Specif= ically, what are your opinions, experiences and recommendations regarding mi= xed formation flying?? And the same question regarding approaches at LESS t= han 100 KIAS on final approach?? Especially behind another aircraft that g= enerates a known significant wake turbulence?? There are many Legacy pil= ots that have experience in formation flying with similar and dissimilar air= craft types. Please share your advice and experience. Thank you all. =20 >>=20 >> Regards, Ed Martin >> N767EM >=20 --Apple-Mail-957F0352-6339-4C05-8E0F-B337D11C53D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Recommend FAST training for all involv= ed. Looks fun but can be deadly.

Jeff

Sent f= rom my iPad

On Mar 24, 2014, at 9:01 PM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com> wrote:

Ed,

Wake turbulence is no joke. &= nbsp;The AirForce just lost an MC-12 (King Air 350) after trying to land beh= ind a C-17 in Bagram AFB, Afghanistan.  The King Air was found pancaked= in about a mile from the runway and facing 180 out from the landing directi= on.  No survivors.

I will attach this common s= ense FAA AC that you may or may not have read.  

As far as mixed formation.  Don=E2=80=99t recommend it unless carefu= lly briefed and all players are experienced/current formation flyers.  = In the Navy even with experienced guys on both aircraft, near disasters have= been more common that not.  Typical Jets looking at King Air and T-34C= gear status and the reverse have occurred.  

=
<Wake Turbulance A= C_90-23G.pdf>



On Mar 24, 2014, at 6:46 A= M, ED MARTIN <edmartintx@gmail.co= m> wrote:

Greetings Lancair Legacy = ;Flyers,

     &n= bsp;   Recently, I have flown formation with a g= aggle of aircraft (non-Lancair) that have some differences in performance.&n= bsp;  I would like to hear from Lancair Legacy pilots that have ex= perience in formation flying.   Specifically, what are your opinions, experiences and recommendations regarding mixed formati= on flying??   And the same question regarding approaches= at LESS than 100 KIAS on fin= al approach??   Especially behind another aircraft that generates a=  known significant wake turbulence??     There are = many Legacy pilots that have experience in formation flying with s= imilar and dissimilar aircraft types.  Please share your advice and exp= erience.  Thank you all.  

Regards, Ed Martin
N767EM

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