Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #69055
From: steve <n5276j@aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: looking for demo flight/instruction
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 08:12:43 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Gary,
 
Bill is correct.   I'm from LMO just north of you. I am currently in Florida and won't be back until April with my 360. I flew my first flight out of Longmont along with the first 40 hours of test.  The 360 has no problems climbing out  at that altitude and uses little runway, landing at first is a little different, you can eat up 4,000 + in a hurry. As Bill said some training will take care of that.  
 
There is another 360 at Longmont, I know he reads the LML so hopefully he'll contact you.  There is another  320 in  Loveland Fort Collins.
 
If you can wait until Spring I'll be back.
 
Steve Alderman   N25SA  360
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Harrelson <n5zq@verizon.net>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2014 4:34 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: looking for demo flight/instruction

Hi Gary,
 
You’re doing the correct thing seeking help here on the LML and/or with LOBO. Here are a few points to consider:
 
There is NO airframe difference between a Lancair 320 (LNC2) and a Lancair 360 (also LNC2). There may be many differences between individual airframes such as MKII tail, outback gear, forward hinge canopy, header tank, no header tank, extended wingtips, etc, etc. None of these individual differences have anything to do with the 320/360 difference. The only difference is which engine you hang on the airframe. Technically, the manufacturer (builder) can call his airplane a “Zippo ten thousand” or anything else he cares to but most stick to the Lancair 320 or 360 designations depending on engine.
 
At 6’ 5” it’ll be tight. My brother is 6’ 7” and fits only if he removes the seat bottom and seat back cushions. You’ll definitely want to sit in the one you’re considering (with the canopy closed) and make your determination. You can make your own seat cushions as thin as you like.
 
Only 180 hp?  These are pretty light airframes. 180 hp is plenty, even out of BJC (although I’d stick to the 11-29 runways until you’ve got a fair bit of experience with this plane). Obviously, it’ll do better at sea level but given a common sense approach to runway selection you should be fine.
 
Excellent question on commercial maneuvers and you are quite correct that you’ll want to approach minimum control speeds with a large helping of caution. A little too aggressive chandelle could get you your flight instructor requirement for spin training (only half kidding here). The stall characteristics of the 320/360 are not benign. It differs from airframe to airframe of course, but in general expect very little or no warning before the stall and be prepared for a hard break. Recovery is traditional but if not performed correctly and with alacrity, a spin can (will) develop. Spin characteristics of these airframes should be given a huge amount of respect and a whole lot of AGL altitude. Full power usually required for spin recovery.
 
Good call on the AOA indicator.
 
After flying our 320 all over the world for the past 2,100 hours we’ve just sold it to our good friend and neighbor, Glenn. Glenn is a pilot for United and flew F14s off the boat. Even considering his extremely high qualifications, we’re in about our 10th hour of checkout training (at his insistence and mine).  GET QUALIFIED TRAINING!!!  These airplanes are not difficult to fly...but they are different. Different enough that they demand type specific training from a Lancair qualified instructor or checkout pilot. Please visit the LOBO web site:   http://www.lancairowners.com/
 
I’ll be surprised if you don’t get an offer to at least sit in one somewhere near you.
 
Best of luck in your search for a Lancair. Let us know how it’s progressing.
 
Bill Harrelson
N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs
N6ZQ  IV  450 hrs
Fredericksburg, VA
 
 
 
From: Gary Hayes
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:09 PM
Subject: [LML] looking for demo flight/instruction
 
I’m current considering the purchase of a 1993 Lancair 360 (apparently a 320 built as a 360) and have questions and concerns over flight characteristic and physical fit.  I’m 6’5” with a longer torso than legs, so headroom is a concern.  I understand each 360 may be built differently so will need to try on the one I’m interested in, unless there’s simply “no way” regardless of build.
 
I’m based out of KBJC, so concerned about overall performance on high DA days when fully loaded.  The 360 I’m looking at as a IO-360-B1E, so putting out only 180 HP.
 
For flight characteristics, is this something safe enough to use for commercial pilot training?  I already have my commercial license and know some of the maneuvers get close to minimum control and I hear the 360’s don’t like that very much.  This one, however, does have the big tail, so perhaps that helps?  First on my list of upgrades to the plane is a AoA indicator.
 
Anyone out there in CO that has one I can touch, feel and perhaps fly in??
 
If I do buy this, I’d be looking for insurance checkout, anyone around that can do that?
 
thx
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