X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:34:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.3] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.8) with ESMTP id 6698445 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:15:32 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.46.173.3; envelope-from=n5zq@verizon.net Received: from BillHP ([unknown] [108.44.173.150]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MZT00HV7K8LOX60@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 14:14:46 -0600 (CST) X-Original-Message-id: <1D6F3296597D4EEFA3367B7CB0CA86AE@BillHP> From: "Bill Harrelson" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [LML] looking for demo flight/instruction X-Original-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:14:37 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CF1784.AA1664F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CF1784.AA1664F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gary, You=92re doing the correct thing seeking help here on the LML and/or = with LOBO. Here are a few points to consider: There is NO airframe difference between a Lancair 320 (LNC2) and a = Lancair 360 (also LNC2). There may be many differences between = individual airframes such as MKII tail, outback gear, forward hinge = canopy, header tank, no header tank, extended wingtips, etc, etc. None = of these individual differences have anything to do with the 320/360 = difference. The only difference is which engine you hang on the = airframe. Technically, the manufacturer (builder) can call his airplane = a =93Zippo ten thousand=94 or anything else he cares to but most stick = to the Lancair 320 or 360 designations depending on engine. At 6=92 5=94 it=92ll be tight. My brother is 6=92 7=94 and fits only if = he removes the seat bottom and seat back cushions. You=92ll definitely = want to sit in the one you=92re considering (with the canopy closed) and = make your determination. You can make your own seat cushions as thin as = you like. Only 180 hp? These are pretty light airframes. 180 hp is plenty, even = out of BJC (although I=92d stick to the 11-29 runways until you=92ve got = a fair bit of experience with this plane). Obviously, it=92ll do better = at sea level but given a common sense approach to runway selection you = should be fine. Excellent question on commercial maneuvers and you are quite correct = that you=92ll want to approach minimum control speeds with a large = helping of caution. A little too aggressive chandelle could get you your = flight instructor requirement for spin training (only half kidding = here). The stall characteristics of the 320/360 are not benign. It = differs from airframe to airframe of course, but in general expect very = little or no warning before the stall and be prepared for a hard break. = Recovery is traditional but if not performed correctly and with = alacrity, a spin can (will) develop. Spin characteristics of these = airframes should be given a huge amount of respect and a whole lot of = AGL altitude. Full power usually required for spin recovery. Good call on the AOA indicator. After flying our 320 all over the world for the past 2,100 hours we=92ve = just sold it to our good friend and neighbor, Glenn. Glenn is a pilot = for United and flew F14s off the boat. Even considering his extremely = high qualifications, we=92re in about our 10th hour of checkout training = (at his insistence and mine). GET QUALIFIED TRAINING!!! These = airplanes are not difficult to fly...but they are different. Different = enough that they demand type specific training from a Lancair qualified = instructor or checkout pilot. Please visit the LOBO web site: = http://www.lancairowners.com/ I=92ll be surprised if you don=92t get an offer to at least sit in one = somewhere near you.=20 Best of luck in your search for a Lancair. Let us know how it=92s = progressing. Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs N6ZQ IV 450 hrs Fredericksburg, VA From: Gary Hayes=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:09 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Subject: [LML] looking for demo flight/instruction I=92m current considering the purchase of a 1993 Lancair 360 (apparently = a 320 built as a 360) and have questions and concerns over flight = characteristic and physical fit. I=92m 6=925=94 with a longer torso = than legs, so headroom is a concern. I understand each 360 may be built = differently so will need to try on the one I=92m interested in, unless = there=92s simply =93no way=94 regardless of build. I=92m based out of KBJC, so concerned about overall performance on high = DA days when fully loaded. The 360 I=92m looking at as a IO-360-B1E, so = putting out only 180 HP. For flight characteristics, is this something safe enough to use for = commercial pilot training? I already have my commercial license and = know some of the maneuvers get close to minimum control and I hear the = 360=92s don=92t like that very much. This one, however, does have the = big tail, so perhaps that helps? First on my list of upgrades to the = plane is a AoA indicator. Anyone out there in CO that has one I can touch, feel and perhaps fly = in?? If I do buy this, I=92d be looking for insurance checkout, anyone around = that can do that? thx ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CF1784.AA1664F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Gary,
 
You=92re doing the correct thing = seeking help here=20 on the LML and/or with LOBO. Here are a few points to = consider:
 
There is NO airframe difference between = a Lancair=20 320 (LNC2) and a Lancair 360 (also LNC2). There may be many differences = between=20 individual airframes such as MKII tail, outback gear, forward hinge = canopy,=20 header tank, no header tank, extended wingtips, etc, etc. None of these=20 individual differences have anything to do with the 320/360 difference. = The only=20 difference is which engine you hang on the airframe. Technically, the=20 manufacturer (builder) can call his airplane a =93Zippo ten thousand=94 = or anything=20 else he cares to but most stick to the Lancair 320 or 360 designations = depending=20 on engine.
 
At 6=92 5=94 it=92ll be tight. My = brother is 6=92 7=94 and=20 fits only if he removes the seat bottom and seat back cushions. You=92ll = definitely want to sit in the one you=92re considering (with the canopy = closed)=20 and make your determination. You can make your own seat cushions as thin = as you=20 like.
 
Only 180 hp?  These are pretty = light=20 airframes. 180 hp is plenty, even out of BJC (although I=92d stick to = the 11-29=20 runways until you=92ve got a fair bit of experience with this plane). = Obviously,=20 it=92ll do better at sea level but given a common sense approach to = runway=20 selection you should be fine.
 
Excellent question on commercial = maneuvers and=20 you are quite correct that you=92ll want to approach minimum control = speeds with a=20 large helping of caution. A little too aggressive chandelle could get = you your=20 flight instructor requirement for spin training (only half kidding = here). The=20 stall characteristics of the 320/360 are not benign. It differs from = airframe to=20 airframe of course, but in general expect very little or no warning = before the=20 stall and be prepared for a hard break. Recovery is traditional but if = not=20 performed correctly and with alacrity, a spin can (will) develop. Spin=20 characteristics of these airframes should be given a huge amount of = respect and=20 a whole lot of AGL altitude. Full power usually required for spin=20 recovery.
 
Good call on the AOA = indicator.
 
After flying our 320 all over the world = for the=20 past 2,100 hours we=92ve just sold it to our good friend and neighbor, = Glenn.=20 Glenn is a pilot for United and flew F14s off the boat. Even considering = his=20 extremely high qualifications, we=92re in about our 10th hour of = checkout training=20 (at his insistence and mine).  GET QUALIFIED TRAINING!!!  = These=20 airplanes are not difficult to fly...but they are different. Different = enough=20 that they demand type specific training from a Lancair qualified = instructor or=20 checkout pilot. Please visit the LOBO web site:   http://www.lancairowners.com/<= /FONT>
 
I=92ll be surprised if you don=92t get = an offer to at=20 least sit in one somewhere near you.
 
Best of luck in your search for a = Lancair. Let us=20 know how it=92s progressing.
 
Bill Harrelson
N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs
N6ZQ  IV  450 hrs
Fredericksburg, VA
 
 
 
From: Gary Hayes
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:09 PM
Subject: [LML] looking for demo = flight/instruction
 

I=92m current considering the purchase of a 1993 = Lancair 360=20 (apparently a 320 built as a 360) and have questions and concerns over = flight=20 characteristic and physical fit.  I=92m 6=925=94 with a longer = torso than legs,=20 so headroom is a concern.  I understand each 360 may be built = differently=20 so will need to try on the one I=92m interested in, unless there=92s = simply =93no way=94=20 regardless of build.

 

I=92m based out of KBJC, so concerned about overall = performance=20 on high DA days when fully loaded.  The 360 I=92m looking at as a = IO-360-B1E,=20 so putting out only 180 HP.

 

For flight characteristics, is this something safe = enough to=20 use for commercial pilot training?  I already have my commercial = license=20 and know some of the maneuvers get close to minimum control and I hear = the 360=92s=20 don=92t like that very much.  This one, however, does have the big = tail, so=20 perhaps that helps?  First on my list of upgrades to the plane is a = AoA=20 indicator.

 

Anyone out there in CO that has one I can touch, = feel and=20 perhaps fly in??

 

If I do buy this, I=92d be looking for insurance = checkout,=20 anyone around that can do that?

 

thx

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