X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 14:42:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com ([17.158.58.246] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.8) with ESMTP id 6669471 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:15:03 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=17.158.58.246; envelope-from=gw5@me.com Received: from [192.168.0.12] (cpe-071-077-249-052.ec.res.rr.com [71.77.249.52]) by nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MYX006KWRS1YM50@nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 16:14:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.11.87,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-01-05_01:2014-01-03,2014-01-05,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1401050104 From: George Wehrung Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6F08AF1D-3526-4015-A30A-49F1B03C33E5" X-Original-Message-id: <9E924FD2-74D1-4F64-A1A8-F748286685AD@me.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Wing support for ES when jacking the main landing gear X-Original-Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:14:28 -0500 References: X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-reply-to: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) --Apple-Mail=_6F08AF1D-3526-4015-A30A-49F1B03C33E5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 good idea Mark, thanks. I got the nose wheel, fork, fairing and what not disconnected from the = airplane last night. So she is sitting propped up for now. What I noticed inside the fairing was that the BID buildup is present on = both sides of the inside of the fairing to take up the distance between = the fairing and the outside of the fork. Odly enough, the holes on both = sides of the fairing are not equal. One is more forward on one side = than the other. Also, the holes do not align properly with the drilled = holes into the fork. I bolted the fairing mounting plate to the fork = and then attached the fairing to the fairing mounting plate on the work = bench. Then I checked the side mounting holes of the fairing in = relation to the holes drilled into the fork. They are off center. And = because of how many times in the past it has been attempted to repair I = am having difficulty in deciding how best to repair it. I can see why = the fairing has developed cracks in the top of it because the side bolts = being forced into the fork have put strain on the top of the fairing and = thus cracking. =20 I believe that I can still use the existing holes in the fairing but = re-drill into the fork using the existing holes in the fairing as a = template but then create new holes into the fork. However, there is a = chance of overlapping into the existing holes in the fork. If I did = this I could then put much larger nut plates on the fork. There might = be a possibility of making a larger hole, rethreading the new hole and = using an AN series bolt such as a 3/16=94. The bolt would be much = stronger than 10x32 screw and mimic the bolted look of the main gear = fairings. This would give me the option of using either a nut plate or = possibly re-tapping the fork to accept the bolt threading. I am just trying to save the fork and hoping to not have to remake up = the fairing spacers. Any thoughts appreciated. George On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Mark Steitle wrote: > George, >=20 > If there's a sporting goods store where you live, they ought to be = able to sell you some lead shot. Otherwise, you could order some over = the internet. >=20 > Mark >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, George Wehrung wrote: >=20 >> I guess I could empty out a few shotgun shells=85 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Mark Steitle wrote: >>=20 >>> I used lead shot in resin, covered with 2-bid. >>>=20 >>> Sent from my iPad >>>=20 >>> On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:12 AM, George Wehrung wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Yeah that's a good point now that I have the wheel pants off. What = did you use to Balster will pan with? Did you use lead weights? >>>>=20 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>=20 >>>> On Jan 3, 2014, at 8:42, Mark Steitle wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> George, >>>>>=20 >>>>> I haven't experienced a shimmy incident ever since I balanced my = front wheel pant. If you haven't done that, I would highly recommend = doing that, even if you do shim the gear legs. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Mark >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Jeff Edwards = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Right under the main spar! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Jan 1, 2014, at 8:23 AM, George Wehrung wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Got a pretty shimmy tonight, enough to loosen the front wheel = fairings screws. Also while pushing her back into the hangar I could = hear a rubbing sound on the left main wheel, but only pulling forward; = not backing. So now its time to jack up the main gear and see whats = going on. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I tried to search the archives to see how best to support the = wings. No luck. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I am going to purchase a floor jack and lift the main gear one = at a time using the Lancair adapter. Then put a saw horse with carpet = and foam to hold the wing while I check the main gear for play in the = legs. I suspect I may need shims or be having wheel bearing problems. =20= >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I remember reading but I don=92t recall where to put the support = under the wing. Unfortunately, I don=92t have jackpoints. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Any advice? Thank you >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> George >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2013, at 1:25 PM, marv@lancair.net wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Posted for Clark Baker : >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> > Hi Colyn, >>>>>>>> > I played around with the power supplies and just ended up = using a resistor. >>>>>>>> > Low tech and I'm the last person to give advice in this area, = but it was a >>>>>>>> > fun project, it works well, and I learned something. Sounds = like >>>>>>>> > homebuilding! >>>>>>>> >=20 >>>>>>>> > Notice my engineering design process for the heat sinking. I = started it, >>>>>>>> > but quickly got way over my head. So, just ended up doing = actual testing >>>>>>>> > of the thermal properties. 0.35 amps and 0.70 amps (apprx) = for the green >>>>>>>> > and red, respectively and SUPER bright (did the runway test = against a >>>>>>>> > Whelen certified setup and various long distances and = perceived brightness) >>>>>>>> >=20 >>>>>>>> >FWIW (not much) >>>>>>>> >=20 >>>>>>>> >=20 >>>>>>>> >=20 >>>>>>>> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Colyn Case = wrote: >>>>>>>> >=20 >>>>>>>> >> I'm interested in what you used for filters too Pete. >>>>>>>> >> ...for my home made de-ice lights with super noisy power = supplies. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> On Nov 26, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Gordon Porter wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Thanks for the clue, Pete! Yes, all in one box, but I will = re-visit the >>>>>>>> >> wiring instructions for the LED lights to make sure what I = did was kosher. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> What filters did you use? >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Thanks! >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Gordon >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> >> From: pete@leapfrogventures.com = [mailto:pete@leapfrogventures.com] >>>>>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:13 AM >>>>>>>> >> To: Gordon Porter; lml@lancaironline.net; = randylsnarr@yahoo.com >>>>>>>> >> Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> I had similar issues with LED position lights that I had = built myself. >>>>>>>> >> Noise only on the lower frequencies. It turned out the = problem was on the >>>>>>>> >> lines between the LED power supply and the LEDs. Because of = this adding >>>>>>>> >> filters to the power supply lines to the lights did nothing. = I ended up >>>>>>>> >> adding noise filters on the lines going to the LEDs and the = problem went >>>>>>>> >> away. This was easy because mine was a home-made setup. = I'm guessing your >>>>>>>> >> power supply and LEDs are all contained in one sealed = package. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Pete >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> >> From: Gordon Porter [mailto:ghp@trustedwealthadvisors.com] >>>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:20 AM >>>>>>>> >> To: lml@lancaironline.net >>>>>>>> >> Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Hi Randy. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> I have been tracking down a similar issue. Thought I had it = isolated to >>>>>>>> >> one >>>>>>>> >> or both of my AFS EFIS'. Installed a pair of capacitance = filters at the >>>>>>>> >> advice of Aerotronics... jury still out. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> My reception issue was "like breaking squelch" but only = happened on the low >>>>>>>> >> end freqs - 118-121 or so, on both radios, each on separate = antennae. Very >>>>>>>> >> consistent and repeatable. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> I have Aeroleds for landing and both wing tip recognition = lights...not the >>>>>>>> >> strobes, just wing tip recognition lights. Aerosun, I think = the model is. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> What freqs are you having issues on?? >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Very frustrating. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Gordon >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> ES N144GP >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Gordon H. Porter >>>>>>>> >> Managing Partner >>>>>>>> >> Trusted Wealth Advisors, LLP >>>>>>>> >> Registered Principal, Cambridge Investment Research, Inc. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> 800-290-2632 717-757-4908 fax 717-843-0180 >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> GHP@TrustedWealthAdvisors.com >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Securities offered through Cambridge Investment Research, = Inc.. Member >>>>>>>> >> FINRA/SIPC. Advisory Services offered through Cambridge = Investment Research >>>>>>>> >> Advisors, Inc., a Registered Investment Advisor. Tax = services are offered >>>>>>>> >> by >>>>>>>> >> Trusted Wealth Advisors LLP. Trusted Wealth Advisors and the = Cambridge >>>>>>>> >> Investment Research companies are unaffiliated entities. >>>>>>>> >> Trading instructions sent via e-mail may not be honored. = Please call our >>>>>>>> >> office, or Cambridge Investment Research trading desk at = 800-756-8115 , >>>>>>>> >> for >>>>>>>> >> all buy/sell orders. Please be advised that communications = regarding >>>>>>>> >> trades >>>>>>>> >> in your account are for informational purposes only. You = should continue >>>>>>>> >> to >>>>>>>> >> rely on confirmations and statements received from the >>>>>>>> >> custodian(s) of your assets. The text of this communication = is >>>>>>>> >> confidential, and use by any person who is not the intended = recipient is >>>>>>>> >> prohibited. Any person who receives this communication in = error is >>>>>>>> >> requested to immediately destroy the text of this = communication without >>>>>>>> >> copying or further dissemination. Your cooperation is = appreciated. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> >> From: randylsnarr@yahoo.com [mailto:randylsnarr@yahoo.com] >>>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05 AM >>>>>>>> >> To: lml@lancaironline.net >>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Joe , do you get any interference in your radios with these = lights? >>>>>>>> >> I installed similar lights a year ago and it causes = reception issues at >>>>>>>> >> times on some frequencies. Curios if you experienced the = same issue... >>>>>>>> >> I would also be interested if anyone else has any = suggestions on how to >>>>>>>> >> resolve this.. >>>>>>>> >> Thx! >>>>>>>> >> Randy Snarr >>>>>>>> >> 235/320 >>>>>>>> >> N694RS >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> -- >>>>>>>> >> For archives and unsub >>>>>>>> >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> -- >>>>>>>> >> For archives and unsub >>>>>>>> >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >=20 >>>>>>>> >=20 >>>>>>>> >=20 >>>>>>>> > --=20 >>>>>>>> > Clark Baker >>>>>>>> >=20 >>>>>>>> > mobile: +44 7557 804 630 >>>>>>>> >=20 >>>>>>>> > bakercdb@gmail.com >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html >>>>>>>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail=_6F08AF1D-3526-4015-A30A-49F1B03C33E5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 good = idea Mark, thanks.

I got the nose wheel, fork, = fairing and what not disconnected from the airplane last night.  So = she is sitting propped up for now.

What I = noticed inside the fairing was that the BID buildup is present on both = sides of the inside of the fairing to take up the distance between the = fairing and the outside of the fork.  Odly enough, the holes on = both sides of the fairing are not equal.  One is more forward on = one side than the other.  Also, the holes do not align properly = with the drilled holes into the fork.  I bolted the fairing = mounting plate to the fork and then attached the fairing to the fairing = mounting plate on the work bench.  Then I checked the side mounting = holes of the fairing in relation to the holes drilled into the fork. =  They are off center.  And because of how many times in the = past it has been attempted to repair I am having difficulty in deciding = how best to repair it.  I can see why the fairing has developed = cracks in the top of it because the side bolts being forced into the = fork have put strain on the top of the fairing and thus cracking. =  

I believe that I can still use the = existing holes in the fairing but re-drill into the fork using the = existing holes in the fairing as a template but then create new holes = into the fork.  However, there is a chance of overlapping into the = existing holes in the fork.  If I did this I could then put much = larger nut plates on the fork.  There might be a possibility of = making a larger hole, rethreading the new hole and using an AN series = bolt such as a 3/16=94.  The bolt would be much stronger than 10x32 = screw and mimic the bolted look of the main gear fairings.  This = would give me the option of using either a nut plate or possibly = re-tapping the fork to accept the bolt = threading.

I am just trying to save the fork = and hoping to not have to remake up the fairing = spacers.

Any thoughts = appreciated.

George


=
On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> = wrote:

George,

If there's a sporting = goods store where you live, they ought to be able to sell you some lead = shot.  Otherwise, you could order some over the = internet.

Mark

Sent from my = iPad

On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com> = wrote:

I= guess I could empty out a few shotgun = shells=85


On Jan 4, 2014, at 9:23 AM, = Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> = wrote:

I used lead shot in resin, = covered with 2-bid.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 3, = 2014, at 10:12 AM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com> = wrote:

Yeah that's a good point now that I have the wheel = pants off. What did you use to Balster will pan with? Did you use lead = weights?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2014, at = 8:42, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> = wrote:

George,

I haven't = experienced a shimmy incident ever since I balanced my front wheel pant. =  If you haven't done that, I would highly recommend doing that, = even if you do shim the gear = legs.

Mark


Sent from my = iPad

On Jan 1, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Jeff Edwards <vtailjeff@aol.com> = wrote:

Right under the main spar!

Sent from my = iPad

On Jan 1, 2014, at 8:23 AM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com> = wrote:

All,

Got a pretty shimmy = tonight, enough to loosen the front wheel fairings screws.  Also = while pushing her back into the hangar I could hear a rubbing sound on = the left main wheel, but only pulling forward; not backing.  So now = its time to jack up the main gear and see whats going = on.

I tried to search the archives to see how = best to support the wings.  No luck.

I am = going to purchase a floor jack and lift the main gear one at a time = using the Lancair adapter.  Then put a saw horse with carpet and = foam to hold the wing while I check the main gear for play in the legs. =  I suspect I may need shims or be having wheel bearing problems. =  

I remember reading but I don=92t recall = where to put the support under the wing.  Unfortunately, I don=92t = have jackpoints.

Any advice?  Thank = you

George


On Nov 26, 2013, at 1:25 PM, marv@lancair.net wrote:


Posted for Clark Baker <bakercdb@gmail.com>:

>= Hi Colyn,
> I played around with the power supplies and just ended up = using a resistor.
> Low tech and I'm the last person to give = advice in this area, but it was a
> fun project, it works well, and I = learned something.  Sounds like
> homebuilding!
> =
> Notice my engineering design process for the heat sinking. I started = it,
> but quickly got way over my head.  So, just ended = up doing actual testing
> of the thermal properties.  0.35 amps = and 0.70 amps (apprx) for the green
> and red, respectively and = SUPER bright (did the runway test against a
> Whelen certified setup and = various long distances and perceived brightness)
>
>FWIW = (not much)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:38 = PM, Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> = wrote:
>
>> I'm interested in what you used for filters too Pete.
>> ...for my = home made de-ice lights with super noisy power supplies.
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Gordon = Porter wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the clue, = Pete!  Yes, all in one box, but I will re-visit the
>> wiring instructions = for the LED lights to make sure what I did was = kosher.
>>
>> What filters did you use?
>>
>> = Thanks!
>>
>> = Gordon
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pete@leapfrogventures.com = [mailto:pete@leapfrogventures.com= ]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:13 AM
>> To: Gordon Porter; lml@lancaironline.net; randylsnarr@yahoo.com
>>= ; Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation
>>
>> I had similar issues with LED = position lights that I had built myself.
>> Noise only on the = lower frequencies.  It turned out the problem was on the
>> = lines between the LED power supply and the LEDs.  Because of = this adding
>> filters to the power supply lines to the lights did = nothing.  I ended up
>> adding noise filters on the = lines going to the LEDs and the problem went
>> away.  This = was easy because mine was a home-made setup.  I'm guessing your
>> power supply and LEDs are all contained in one sealed = package.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> = -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gordon Porter [mailto:ghp@trustedwealthadvi= sors.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 10:20 = AM
>> To: lml@lancaironline.net
>>= ; Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Landing light = recommendation
>>
>> Hi Randy.
>>
>> = I have been tracking down a similar issue.  Thought I had it = isolated to
>> one
>> or both of my AFS EFIS'.  Installed a pair of capacitance filters at = the
>> advice of Aerotronics... jury still = out.
>>
>> My reception issue was "like breaking squelch" but only happened on the = low
>> end freqs - 118-121 or so, on both radios, each on = separate antennae.  Very
>> consistent and = repeatable.
>>
>> I have Aeroleds for landing and both = wing tip recognition lights...not the
>> strobes, just wing tip recognition = lights.  Aerosun, I think the model = is.
>>
>> What freqs are you having issues on??
>>
>> Very = frustrating.
>>
>> Gordon
>>
>> ES N144GP
>>
>>
>> Gordon H. Porter
>> = Managing Partner
>> Trusted Wealth Advisors, LLP
>> Registered Principal, Cambridge Investment Research, = Inc.
>>
>> = 800-290-2632  717-757-4908  fax 717-843-0180
>>
>> GHP@TrustedWealthAdvisors.co= m
>>
>> Securities offered through Cambridge = Investment Research, Inc.. Member
>> FINRA/SIPC. Advisory Services offered through = Cambridge Investment Research
>> Advisors, Inc., a Registered Investment Advisor. Tax services are offered
>> by
>> = Trusted Wealth Advisors LLP. Trusted Wealth Advisors and the Cambridge
>> Investment Research companies are unaffiliated = entities.
>> Trading instructions sent via e-mail may not be honored.  Please call our
>> office, or Cambridge = Investment Research trading desk at 800-756-8115 ,
>> = for
>> all buy/sell orders.  Please be advised that communications = regarding
>> trades
>> in your account are for = informational purposes only.  You should continue
>> to
>> = rely on confirmations and statements received from the
>> custodian(s) of your assets.  The text of this communication = is
>> confidential, and use by any person who is not the = intended recipient is
>> prohibited.  Any person who receives = this communication in error is
>> requested to immediately = destroy the text of this communication without
>> copying or further = dissemination.  Your cooperation is appreciated.
>>
>> -----Original = Message-----
>> From: randylsnarr@yahoo.com [mailto:randylsnarr@yahoo.com]>> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05 AM
>> To: lml@lancaironline.net
>>= ; Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Landing light recommendation
>>
>> Joe , do you get any interference = in your radios with these lights?
>> I installed similar lights = a year ago and it causes reception issues at
>> times on some = frequencies.  Curios if you experienced the same = issue...
>> I would also be interested if anyone else has any suggestions on how = to
>> resolve this..
>> Thx!
>> Randy = Snarr
>> 235/320
>> = N694RS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> = --
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