Return-Path: Received: from marvkaye.olsusa.com ([207.30.195.153]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:07:26 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20000923115025.0457d0f0@olsusa.com> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:14:17 -0400 To: lancair.list@olsusa.com From: Marvin Kaye Subject: Re: Window Film In-Reply-To: <001901c02563$fe41f7a0$6e01a8c0@ronb> References: <20000923032135.11388.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> If you've had the opportunity to build a new home or provide your existing home with replacement windows you will have had the option of using either plain old ordinary glass in them or using Low-E glass in insulating units. The Low-E coatings used on this glass is applied in a couple different ways, although the most common uses a process known as "Magnetron Sputtered Vapor Deposition", and is the same one used to apply that gold coating to the visors of space helmets. The only reason I'm bringing this up is that we've been down this path a time or two before, and the last time it was travelled I researched the source of those space helmet visors and learned that our government spends about 4 grand to get those visors coated. The MSVD process involves placing the item to be coated into a vacuum chamber, evacuating all the air (except for a few molecules) and then bombarding a pure gold target with an electron beam to knock loose gold atoms which then migrate to the object being coated. Think of it as a high-tech version of powder coating. Because the pure gold coating that this process provides is only a few atoms thick and the gold is so very soft and subject to scratching, another target is used to place a different metallic coating over the gold that is harder but still transparent. With all that being said, the problem with getting our canopies coated with a similar multi-layer coating is that there doesn't appear to be anyone out there in the commercial sector with an MSVD vacuum chamber large enough to fit the canopy. The companies that make the MSVD chambers for the glass industry are capable of coating glass sheets that are 8' wide and 12' long, but they can only hold a perfectly flat sheet with a max thickness of 3/8". That doesn't help us at all with our canopies, however, as they are already canopy shaped and won't fit into this type of equipment. What could be done, though, is to have the sheets of acrylic that would be used to form our canopies (and windows) coated with a similar Low-E coating prior thermo-forming. I would be pleased to make contact with one of the coaters that I do business with and arrange for them to coat some sheets of acrylic which could subsequently be cut and formed into our canopies... the catch is that the usual spray-on coating that is used to protect the canopies during assembly could no longer be used... we'd have to be very careful during the building of our airplanes to insure that we don't damage the MSVD coating during the build process. These MSVD coatings, BTW, are still considered "soft", and are recommended primarily for use in isulating units with the coated surface facing the inside of the unit, away from the area that gets cleaned by our mates and other people that actually "do windows". That, alone, would dissuade me from wanting to travel down this path. Additionally, the cost of getting a coating like this done that would be robust enough to contend with daily use would probably exceed that $660 number that ACS wants for its plastic film. Still, it is a possibility. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>