X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 07:25:22 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nk11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com ([17.158.161.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6572292 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 20:46:23 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=17.158.161.2; envelope-from=gw5@me.com Received: from nk11p00mm-spool002.mac.com ([17.158.161.99]) by nk11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTP id <0MVK00E8V7GDQ810@nk11p00mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:45:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-10-31_08:2013-11-01,2013-10-31,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1310310240 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_sTQqAAk2ue7ZI+7a4Y86rQ)" Received: from localhost ([17.158.58.223]) by nk11p00mm-spool002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.01(7.0.4.27.0) 64bit (built Aug 30 2012)) with ESMTP id <0MVK00MFR7GD7G70@nk11p00mm-spool002.mac.com> for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:45:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List From: George Wehrung Subject: Re: [LML] Fiberglass repair materials X-Original-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:45:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: iCloud MailClient1T.111546 MailServer1T X-Originating-IP: [108.218.45.151] X-Original-Message-id: <682f728a-bd4b-4cab-9333-3cb34acb0ef8@me.com> In-reply-to: --Boundary_(ID_sTQqAAk2ue7ZI+7a4Y86rQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT John, Thanks for the good gouge on this stuff. I will likely also use the carbon fiber peel ply. I hate shopping at harbor freight as most of the stuff is chinese made and fails. but i guess the rivet tools are simple enough. It's the nut plates i need to replace. I obviously don't know the difference between prepreg and honey comb laminate. Other repairs I need to make is to the wheel pants, leg fairings and to the firewall on the inside of the cockpit where the exhaust hangers bolts pass through. On Oct 31, 2013, at 04:05 PM, John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> wrote: Try Dan Newland at www.pegasusaeromarine.com for cloth and resin. I have stopped using fiberglass and all my repairs or mods are carbon fiber cloth these days. The key is to use peel ply to hold the cloth down. I purchase a large roll of peel ply - about 12" or more wide and then just cut what I need off for any size layup. The small narrow rolls are not worth much and over priced. The resin Dan has is higher modulus than the Jeffco and will be stronger at no higher cost. Unless you have an oven and vacuum or a press mold, pre preg material won't work for you. If you are speaking of the honeycomb laminate that is another issue and it's nice to have some scraps around. Rivets and the like are tools you need around the shop and I suggest you get that stuff at Harbor Freight if you want it cheap. They will work fine and if they don't, toss em out and buy another they are that cheap. Have been using my pop rivet squeezer from them for about ten years with no complaints. These are pop rivets I'm referring to. Consider using those over the beveled aluminum rivets every place where the rivets are not structural but just there to hold a nut plate in place for instance. The cherry pop rivets are SOOOOO much easier to work with and perform just as well. Where I need to squeeze the aluminum rivets, I just borrow a tool from friends t the airport. Can't justify $100 plus to buy that seldom used tool. My $.02 John Barrett N31VP Micro balloons and chopped fiber pretty cheap from Lancair. Best, John Barrett Sent from my iPad On Oct 31, 2013, at 9:52 AM, George Wehrung wrote: I know there have been some kits/planes sold and was wondering if anyone has any fiber glass kits/prepreg repair materials for sale? I need everything. No damage but need to be able to make repairs and small modifications to plane such as repairing rock dings and reinforcing build up areas for the baggage door. I also need to remake my leg fairings and repair/reinforce cracks in wheel pants. I am also looking for rivets, rivet pliers, and the screw bosses as some of mine are in need of replacement. I know I can get all this from Lancair or other online retailers but was hoping for a good price from someone that no longer gas a need for these items. Thank you George Sent from my iPhone -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --Boundary_(ID_sTQqAAk2ue7ZI+7a4Y86rQ) Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="Boundary_(ID_AisgFoal3ZOXhdvpFu+q3w)"; type="text/html" --Boundary_(ID_AisgFoal3ZOXhdvpFu+q3w) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
John,
 
Thanks for the good gouge on this st= uff.  I will likely also use the carbon fiber peel ply. 
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I hate shopping at harbor freight as most of the stuf= f is chinese made and fails.  but i guess the rivet tools are simple = enough.  It's the nut plates i need to replace.  I obviously don= 't know the difference between prepreg and honey comb laminate.
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Other repairs I need to make is to the wheel pants, leg f= airings and to the firewall on the inside of  the cockpit where the e= xhaust hangers bolts pass through.
 


On O= ct 31, 2013, at 04:05 PM, John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> wrote:
Try Dan Newland at www.pegasusaerom= arine.com for cloth and resin. I have stopped using fiberglass and all= my repairs or mods are carbon fiber cloth these days. The key is to use p= eel ply to hold the cloth down. I purchase a large roll of peel ply - abou= t 12" or more wide and then just cut what I need off for any size layup. T= he small narrow rolls are not worth much and over priced. The resin Dan ha= s is higher modulus than the Jeffco and will be stronger at no higher cost= . Unless you have an oven and vacuum or a press mold, pre preg material wo= n't work for you. If you are speaking of the honeycomb laminate that is an= other issue and it's nice to have some scraps around.

Rivets and = the like are tools you need around the shop and I suggest you get that stu= ff at Harbor Freight if you want it cheap. They will work fine and if they= don't, toss em out and buy another they are that cheap. Have been using m= y pop rivet squeezer from them for about ten years with no complaints. The= se are pop rivets I'm referring to. Consider using those over the beveled = aluminum rivets every place where the rivets are not structural but just t= here to hold a nut plate in place for instance. The cherry pop rivets are = SOOOOO much easier to work with and perform just as well. Where I need to = squeeze the aluminum rivets, I just borrow a tool from friends t the airpo= rt. Can't justify $100 plus to buy that seldom used tool.

My $.02=

John Barrett
N31VP



Micro balloons and cho= pped fiber pretty cheap from Lancair.

Best,
John Barrett
=
Sent from my iPad


On Oct 31, 2013, at 9:52 AM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com>= wrote:
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I know = there have been some kits/planes sold and was wondering if anyone has any = fiber glass kits/prepreg repair materials for sale? I need everything. No = damage but need to be able to make repairs and small modifications to plan= e such as repairing rock dings and reinforcing build up areas for the bagg= age door. I also need to remake my leg fairings and repair/reinforce crack= s in wheel pants.
I am also looking for rivets, rivet pliers, and the screw bosses as som= e of mine are in need of replacement.
I know I can get all this from Lancair or other onl= ine retailers but was hoping for a good price from someone that no longer = gas a need for these items.
Thank you
George
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