X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:55:13 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [107.14.166.225] (HELO cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6571760 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:29:21 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=107.14.166.225; envelope-from=kkellner1@new.rr.com X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [70.92.78.168] ([70.92.78.168:3483] helo=D4SSJS91) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 15/74-19454-E3582725; Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:28:47 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <35E2B4EFD8F04D568EC7BE24DA4035F5@D4SSJS91> From: "Ken" X-Original-To: , References: Subject: Re: engine shut down due to uncoordinated flight X-Original-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 11:28:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01CED62C.5B41FF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01CED62C.5B41FF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is not unique to 4P's. I experienced the same engine failure due = to fuel starvation in a Cessna 210. In level flight, intentionally = uncoordinated for maybe a minute or two, with hard left rudder and fuel = on the right tank the engine quit. Ken Kellner IVP N14LK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS.COM=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:45 AM Subject: engine shut down due to uncoordinated flight Dear subscribers, =20 I noticed a phenomena on my 4P that I thought might be worth sharing = to see if it is unique or may be others experienced something similar: =20 When my ball is significantly out of center over a longer period of = time (>30 sec), my fuel selector is on left, and I have less than 15 = gals in my left tank my engine will quit due to fuel starvation.=20 =20 It happens mainly when I am practicing approaches: on the missed go = around, when I am busy applying power, getting gears and flaps up, = selecting my next way point in the GPS, changing my approach plates. if = I am on the left tank with low fuel and I forget to retrim the rudder = for the changed power setting my engine will shut down due to fuel = starvation. My fuel indicator will then show zero for the left tank. = Switching the tanks and applying high boost brings it back to life = within seconds. After 30 seconds or so I can see the original amount of = fuel again in the left tank. It is not a big deal anymore because I know = how to fix it but it certainly caught my full attention the first time. =20 In climb with full fuel I can also notice that I am loosing fuel out = of the left vent on the wing tip if I don't keep my ball in the middle. =20 In straight and level flight I can run this tank dry with the exact = amount of unusable fuel to which I calibrated my fuel indicator on the = ground. =20 The only explanation that I have for this phenomena is that this = uncoordinated flight situation must create some kind of vacuum on my = wing tip around the vent port that sucks the fuel out towards the wing = tip away from the fuselage. I have the regular wing tips and not the = winglets. =20 Any input or advice is appreciated. =20 Ralf =20 ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01CED62C.5B41FF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is not unique to 4P's.  I experienced the same=20 engine failure due to fuel starvation in a Cessna 210.  In = level=20 flight, intentionally uncoordinated for maybe a minute or two, with hard = left=20 rudder and fuel on the right tank the engine quit.
 
Ken Kellner
IVP   N14LK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS.COM= =20
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, = 2013 9:45=20 AM
Subject: engine shut down due = to=20 uncoordinated flight

Dear subscribers,

 

I noticed a phenomena on my 4P that I thought = might be=20 worth sharing to see if it is unique or may be others experienced = something=20 similar:

 

When my ball is significantly out of center over = a longer=20 period of time (>30 sec), my fuel selector is on left, and I have = less than=20 15 gals in my left tank my engine will quit due to fuel starvation.=20

 

It happens mainly when I am practicing = approaches: on the=20 missed go around, when I am busy applying power, getting gears and = flaps up,=20 selecting my next way point in the GPS, changing my approach plates=85 = if I am=20 on the left tank with low fuel and I forget to retrim the rudder for = the=20 changed power setting my engine will shut down due to fuel starvation. = My fuel=20 indicator will then show zero for the left tank. Switching the tanks = and=20 applying high boost brings it back to life within seconds. After 30 = seconds or=20 so I can see the original amount of fuel again in the left tank. It is = not a=20 big deal anymore because I know how to fix it but it certainly caught = my full=20 attention the first time.

 

In climb with full fuel I can also notice that I = am loosing=20 fuel out of the left vent on the wing tip if I don=92t keep my ball in = the=20 middle.

 

In straight and level flight I can run this tank = dry with=20 the exact amount of unusable fuel to which I calibrated my fuel = indicator on=20 the ground.

 

The only explanation that I have for this = phenomena is that=20 this uncoordinated flight situation must create some kind of vacuum on = my wing=20 tip around the vent port that sucks the fuel out towards the wing tip = away=20 from the fuselage. I have the regular wing tips and not the=20 winglets.

 

Any input or advice is = appreciated.

 

Ralf

 

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