Return-Path: Received: from web4804.mail.yahoo.com ([216.115.105.246]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:52:08 -0400 Received: from [4.16.177.46] by web4804.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:59:00 PDT Message-ID: <20000919015900.26130.qmail@web4804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:59:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Charlie Kohler Subject: Debate To: Lancair List X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I have been out of touch for several days teaching the EAA SportAir Lancair assembly course (with Brad Simmons) at Oshkosh. Catching up with the news on the list I find several issues that I may be able to shed some light on. 1)Data plates- I attended a DAR refresher clinic last month and the instructor made a very pointed statement that quoted the regulation FAR 45.13 (b) "No person may remove------ (engine data plates)--- without the approval Of the Administrator". He made the point to me, that an amateur builder did not have the authority to remove the data plates from engines, props, etc. etc. without a letter from the administrator-- or his/her representative. A proposal is in the works to instruct/permit an amateur builder to stamp a "E" on the data plates-- but it's not official yet. The issue of AD's it is hotly debated. The FAA's AC 39-7C is in conflict with George McNeil, FAA Airworthiness Certification Division, and the Experimental Aircraft Associations position. Noncompliance with an AD would NOT void an AVEMCO policy. A full discussion is on the EAA/government issues Web page. (http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/airworthy.html) 2) Re; flight training while the aircraft is in the phase one flight testing area. Brent Regan is right when he states "as PIC, you get to decide what is" necessary", not the FSDO." Yes, there's always the possibility that an over zealous Aviation Safety Inspector may cite you under "careless and reckless" (91.13) operation----. But if this were to happen, it would probably be a convenience issue but in actuality based upon other factors (violations-arguing). I requested and received a letter from the EAA, which is signed by Earl Lawrence, which says their position is that "the EAA discourages anyone from receiving flight training during the flight test phase of its operating limitations." While allowing it is not a black and white issue he also makes the statement that "the FAA has allowed some dual flight after the initial flight tests have been completed as long as the additional pilot is being as required for the flight". In summary, I do not believe that the FAA would ever pursue an enforcement action against a properly certified flight instructor giving instruction in an aircraft that was operating within the scope of its Operating Limitations and in compliance with Part 91 during the Phase One flight test period. The PIC decides "necessary" and "purpose of flight". The issue of insurance is a moot point. Most insurance companies do not cover the first 10 hours. Those that do cover during that period-- have never issued a restriction against flight training. 3) DAR's--- A key issue Mike brings out the responsibility DAR has to his local FSDO, and his personal Aviation Safety Inspector representative. Mine is sympathetic to the requirements of the LIV-P and will let me go anywhere in the U.S. (and overseas) to certify. The Continental-Lycoming with Hartzel/MT has been accepted as a 25-hour combination and 100NM radius as reasonable (150NM with turbine). ===== Charlie Kohler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>