X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:49:09 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-pd0-f178.google.com ([209.85.192.178] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6546123 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:37:31 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.192.178; envelope-from=pjdmiller@gmail.com Received: by mail-pd0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w10so4998447pde.9 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:36:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.252.135 with SMTP id zs7mr2584285pbc.194.1382114214738; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:36:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.135] (S010620aa4b008706.cg.shawcable.net. [174.0.112.194]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f2sm3355830pbg.44.2013.10.18.09.36.53 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: MT prop fully reversible 1st report... From: Paul Miller In-Reply-To: X-Original-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 10:36:51 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Message-Id: References: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) Ronald, does MT make a difference between "beta" and "reverse"? Beta in my experience is flat, zero thrust. Reverse is something else. = In the TBM, beta provides a large percentage of the braking force that = reverse does without kicking up debris. Can you determine where beta = is on the MT versus reverse thrust? Those tests would be useful. Also, = is "beta" prohibited below 70k or reverse or both?