X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 16:05:13 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6400048 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 13:31:18 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.64; envelope-from=panelmaker@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=FGK1zJIosi1lyFrsTB91LWSkeBe9XC+Wy3a5v729NPz7VkTHqzPjI3jmdGi/PU50; h=Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.173.71.64] (helo=COMPUTER1) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1V4wi3-0002Zf-AR for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 13:30:43 -0400 From: "Jim Nordin" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: Subject: Lancair 235 X-Original-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 12:30:44 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01CE8EB2.F197BFA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac6Ozgpyi5iyDGRQSMW/cHN/yJMaOgAB0lGQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-ELNK-Trace: bdfc62829fd2a80cc8ad50643b1069f8239a348a220c2609c894bc92aa86ba492c56f883e9f5a191350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.173.71.64 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CE8EB2.F197BFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wife and I used to operate out of a private grass strip. Lighter weight Longez (847# dry - actual weight, 1400# max gross) than the L-235 with the same Lyc O-235-C2C, 118 hp. 3300 foot very well maintained grass strip (X09) is SCARY with 2 people and 40 gallons of fuel (52 gallon capacity). And this was a well maintained runway, crowned, cut short, dry, hard - all the good attributes. Admittedly it was heavy on departure but if you want to go a long way, you fly with lots of fuel. We sold that property and moved to where the runway is paved. Jim _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Gary Edwards Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 10:45 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair 235 Tom, Thanks for sharing the info. All very good information. Swaid asked about 320's in 235 airframes also. The 320 in the 235 airframe here may not be a good one to use as the engine is not stock and is underpropped. It gets 2550 RPM static and on takeoff with the fixed pitch prop at field elevation of 1330. Climb is about 1300+ ft per min solo with an aircraft weight of 1012 lbs. empty. I weigh 170 lbs. I too have never utilized a grass strip. My personal runway minimum length is 3000', although, as you have said Tom, the aircraft would operate from a shorter strip. Short strips in Southern Oregon are all usually at higher elevations. For me, it is not the takeoff distance that is a concern, rather it is the landing distance. No stopping assist with a fixed pitch prop. So, it's all with the brakes and with the roundout and flair that starts before the numbers. Gary Edwards LNC2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Low To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:16 PM Subject: [LML] Re. Lancair 235. Resend as text was lost in original post. I routinely flew my lancair 235 with a fixed pitch cruise prop in and out of a 2600 foot paved runway at sea level. Climb performance was around 650 ft per min solo with full fuel. I have never operated this aircraft from a grass field, so I can't comment on the performance impact. My aircraft weights 930 empty and has an O235 L2C with high compression pistons. I would get around 2400 RPM static. I replaced the fixed pitch prop with a MTV1 and now climb around 1300 fpm. Last week, I departed from a 3800 foot strip at sea level with a 130# passenger and full tanks at 100 degrees F. I weigh 170#. The limited climb performance was obvious, but I was able to accelerate in ground effect to a safe speed long before running out of pavement. I feel like this was the limit for my aircraft and ability. Later, with 20 minutes less fuel, long runways at 104F, we had no problem whatsoever. -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01CE8EB2.F197BFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wife and I used to operate out of a = private grass strip. Lighter weight Longez (847# dry – actual weight, = 1400# max gross) than the L-235 with the same Lyc O-235-C2C, 118 hp. =

3300 foot very well maintained grass = strip (X09) is SCARY with 2 people and 40 gallons of fuel (52 gallon capacity). And = this was a well maintained runway, crowned, cut short, dry, hard – all = the good attributes. Admittedly it was heavy on departure but if you want to = go a long way, you fly with lots of fuel.

We sold that property and moved to = where the runway is paved.

Jim

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Gary Edwards
Sent: Thursday, August = 01, 2013 10:45 AM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = Lancair 235

 

Tom,

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Thanks for = sharing the info.  All very good information.

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Swaid asked = about 320's in 235 airframes also.  The 320 in the 235 airframe here may = not be a good one to use as the engine is not stock and is underpropped.  = It gets 2550 RPM static and on takeoff with the fixed pitch prop at field = elevation of 1330.  Climb is about 1300+ ft per min solo with an aircraft weight of 1012 lbs. empty.  I weigh 170 lbs.

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I too have = never utilized a grass strip.  My personal runway minimum length is = 3000', although, as you have said Tom, the aircraft would operate from a = shorter strip.  Short strips in Southern Oregon are all usually at higher elevations.  For me, it is not the takeoff distance that is a = concern, rather it is the landing distance.  No stopping assist with a fixed = pitch prop.  So, it's all with the brakes and with the roundout and flair = that starts before the numbers.

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Gary = Edwards

LNC2 

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From: Thomas Low

Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:16 PM

Subject: [LML] Re. Lancair 235. Resend as text was lost in original = post.

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I routinely = flew my lancair 235 with a fixed pitch cruise prop in and out of a 2600 foot = paved runway at sea level. Climb performance was around 650 ft per min solo = with full fuel. I have never operated this aircraft from a grass field, so I can't comment on the performance impact. My aircraft weights 930 empty and has = an O235 L2C with high compression pistons. I would get around 2400 RPM = static. I replaced the fixed pitch prop with a MTV1 and now climb around 1300 = fpm.

Last week, I departed from a 3800 foot strip at sea level with a 130# = passenger and full tanks at 100 degrees F. I weigh 170#. The limited climb = performance was obvious, but I was able to accelerate in ground effect to a safe = speed long before running out of pavement. I feel like this was the limit for my = aircraft and ability. Later, with 20 minutes less fuel, long runways at 104F, we = had no problem whatsoever.
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