X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:44:37 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc3-s26.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.101] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6399620 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 11:14:03 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.101; envelope-from=gary21sn@hotmail.com Received: from BLU172-DS17 ([65.55.116.72]) by blu0-omc3-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:13:29 -0700 X-TMN: [Ef8bYcd1hlrqhBn8GLEvUVtkMjw4teBW] X-Originating-Email: [gary21sn@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: gary21sn@hotmail.com From: "Gary Edwards" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: Lancair 235 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:13:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05A8_01CE8E8F.013F0D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 08:13:29 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V10.50.0008.2100 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2013 15:13:29.0189 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD918950:01CE8EC9] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05A8_01CE8E8F.013F0D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, Thanks for sharing the info. All very good information. Swaid asked about 320's in 235 airframes also. The 320 in the 235 = airframe here may not be a good one to use as the engine is not stock = and is underpropped. It gets 2550 RPM static and on takeoff with the = fixed pitch prop at field elevation of 1330. Climb is about 1300+ ft = per min solo with an aircraft weight of 1012 lbs. empty. I weigh 170 = lbs. I too have never utilized a grass strip. My personal runway minimum = length is 3000', although, as you have said Tom, the aircraft would = operate from a shorter strip. Short strips in Southern Oregon are all = usually at higher elevations. For me, it is not the takeoff distance = that is a concern, rather it is the landing distance. No stopping = assist with a fixed pitch prop. So, it's all with the brakes and with = the roundout and flair that starts before the numbers. Gary Edwards LNC2=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas Low=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:16 PM Subject: [LML] Re. Lancair 235. Resend as text was lost in original = post. I routinely flew my lancair 235 with a fixed pitch cruise prop in and = out of a 2600 foot paved runway at sea level. Climb performance was = around 650 ft per min solo with full fuel. I have never operated this = aircraft from a grass field, so I can't comment on the performance = impact. My aircraft weights 930 empty and has an O235 L2C with high = compression pistons. I would get around 2400 RPM static. I replaced the = fixed pitch prop with a MTV1 and now climb around 1300 fpm. Last week, I departed from a 3800 foot strip at sea level with a 130# = passenger and full tanks at 100 degrees F. I weigh 170#. The limited = climb performance was obvious, but I was able to accelerate in ground = effect to a safe speed long before running out of pavement. I feel like = this was the limit for my aircraft and ability. Later, with 20 minutes = less fuel, long runways at 104F, we had no problem whatsoever.=20 -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_05A8_01CE8E8F.013F0D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Tom,
 
Thanks for sharing the info.  All very = good information.
 
Swaid asked about 320's in 235 airframes also.  The 320 in the = 235=20 airframe here may not be a good one to use as the engine is not stock = and is=20 underpropped.  It gets 2550 RPM static and on takeoff with the = fixed pitch=20 prop at field elevation of 1330.  Climb is about 1300+ ft per min = solo with=20 an aircraft weight of 1012 lbs. empty.  I weigh 170 lbs.
 
I too have never utilized a grass strip.  My personal = runway=20 minimum length is 3000', although, as you have said Tom, the aircraft = would=20 operate from a shorter strip.  Short strips in Southern Oregon are = all=20 usually at higher elevations.  For me, it is not the takeoff = distance that=20 is a concern, rather it is the landing distance.  No stopping = assist with a=20 fixed pitch prop.  So, it's all with the brakes and with the = roundout and=20 flair that starts before the numbers.
 
Gary Edwards
LNC2 
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From: Thomas Low
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 = 12:16=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re. Lancair 235. = Resend as=20 text was lost in original post.

I routinely flew my lancair 235 with a fixed pitch = cruise prop=20 in and out of a 2600 foot paved runway at sea level. Climb performance = was=20 around 650 ft per min solo with full fuel. I have never operated this = aircraft=20 from a grass field, so I can't comment on the performance impact. My = aircraft=20 weights 930 empty and has an O235 L2C with high compression pistons. I = would=20 get around 2400 RPM static. I replaced the fixed pitch prop with a = MTV1 and=20 now climb around 1300 fpm.

Last week, I departed from a 3800 = foot strip=20 at sea level with a 130# passenger and full tanks at 100 degrees F. I = weigh=20 170#. The limited climb performance was obvious, but I was able to = accelerate=20 in ground effect to a safe speed long before running out of pavement. = I feel=20 like this was the limit for my aircraft and ability. Later, with 20 = minutes=20 less fuel, long runways at 104F, we had no problem whatsoever. =
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