X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:30:51 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail.sdc.com ([161.58.179.10] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6395583 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:07:28 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=161.58.179.10; envelope-from=ronald@sdc.com Received: from ASUSpc [97.68.193.49] by mail.sdc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.3.0.100) id b89000033309a7cd; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:59:02 -0400 From: "Ronald Stevens" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Prop for sale....and no nothing to do with the previous case.. X-Original-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:06:48 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <019401ce8c97$29011450$7b033cf0$@sdc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0195_01CE8C75.A1F14910" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 thread-index: AQF3DujALL/00QQBZPuh6tRiTQV/gporD6qQ Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0195_01CE8C75.A1F14910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bill I replaced my prop with a 4 bladed MT, fully reversible, cost around 22k. What I need to get for the prop, I think 10k is a good deal as the prop is in excellent condition. Shipping is up to you, depends how you want it :) == Ronald From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of William A. Hogarty Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:21 PM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: Prop for sale....and no nothing to do with the previous case.. Ron: Can I ask why you replaced it? What did you replace it with? What do you need to get for it. Shipping??? Thanks, Bill H. On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Ronald STEVENS > wrote: Hello Bill The prop was new installed on my lancair 4p, has about 450hours, is located in spruce creek, florida (7fl6) Ronald Stevens 786-338 1678 On Jul 26, 2013, at 10:39 PM, "William A. Hogarty" > wrote: Ron: Im looking for a prop. What plane was the prop installed on? Did you own the prop since it was new. Have maint records? Where located? Thanks, bill Hogarty On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Ronald Stevens > wrote: Hello guys I do have the full feathering Hartzell (HC-H3YF-2UF/FC7693DF) for sale as I just had the 4 bladed MT prop installed. So far this prop does have less vibration and is smoother, but..well that is it. I do not have the reversed governor installed yet so I will not do the anticipated PIREP yet. Anyway, my prop has less than 450hours, is clean, no nicks, simple wear and tear, but all in 100% condition, and just had the annual done and was checked as well. Make me a good offer I cannot refuse :) Thanks - Ronald Lancair n45HL, IVp, >250hours and counting.. From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net ] On Behalf Of Colyn Case Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:17 PM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration Bob, there's a blade part and a hub part. e.g. my full feathering is a HC-H3YF-2UF/FC7693DF which was the latest and greatest in 2004. (It also has a TKS slinger ring and boots on it) On Jul 22, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Bob Rickard wrote: Prop is HC-H3YF-1RF with TSIO-550E on L-IVP Bob On Jul 21, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Colyn Case > wrote: Bob , Can you please specify the model number of the blades and hub? More than one exist which match "78 inch Hartzell" Colyn Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2013, at 11:54 PM, Robert R Pastusek > wrote: Gentlemen, This is an alert for a potentially serious problem with the Continental IO/TSIO-550 engine/Hartzell 78" Scimitar propeller combination commonly used on Lancair aircraft. Please appreciate that this is from a very small data sample, and analysis is on-going, but it's important enough to share what we now know. Lancair (N619SJ) owner Bob Rickard called last week to advise that he'd discovered a major crack in his crankshaft at the propeller flange and wanted to alert other owners flying the above engine/prop combination of his problem. Bob has been chasing a random vibration in his airframe since he bought the aircraft three years/approximately 500 hours ago. The "standard suspects" of prop balance/run-out, engine mount/isolators, engine contact with the cowling, etc. had been systematically ruled out over time. In frustration, and unwilling to just ignore it, Bob ordered a new MT 4-blade to replace the Hartzell, remaining very uncomfortable with the vibration and unable to think of any other possible fixes. Part of Bob's discomfort was based on the fact that he'd talked extensively to Ed Smith who had similar vibration issues with the same engine/propeller combination. (Ed's N9JE experienced an in-flight crankshaft failure/departure of the prop in 2010; Ed successfully dead-sticked the airplane onto a beach.) Bob's recent discovery of the cracked crankshaft was made when the Hartzell was removed for replacement with a new MT prop. At the time of removal/discovery, the engine had just more than 100 flight hours since major overhaul. The crankshaft had been checked for cracks at overhaul, and the actual eddy current test results were still available showing no cracks or irregularities at that time. Bob believes that the crack developed within the last 100 flight hours as a result of long-term exposure to harmonic vibration, and that this vibration could be a result of an incompatibility between his big-bore Continental and this specific Hartzell prop. He notes that although this is an "FAA approved" engine/propeller combination, he has talked to other airplane owners flying this combination who have/are experiencing similar vibration issues. We understand that Continental and the FAA have been notified of this problem, but we have no additional information at this time. LOBO expects to publish a more detailed report on this in the next monthly newsletter, but both Ed Smith and Bob Rickard felt this discovery was worth making immediate notification about. Specifically, any unusual or new engine vibration should be cause for immediate attention. Bob considers himself very lucky to have caught the crack before in-flight failure. We'll devote a few minutes to share what we know/answer questions at our LOBO Safety Forum to be held at 1300 in Forum Pavilion 2, Monday, 29 August, at AirVenture. Bob Rickard won't be available to discuss this at our safety forum, but you can email him at r.rickard@rcginc-us.com . LOBO would also appreciate an email or call (rpastusek@htii.com 757-286-4802 ) if you are experiencing similar problems. Thanks, Bob Pastusek For LOBO Bob Rickard President, Rickard Consulting Group, Inc. r.rickard@rcginc-us.com ------=_NextPart_000_0195_01CE8C75.A1F14910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Bill

 

I replaced my prop with a 4 bladed MT, fully reversible, cost around = 22k.

 

What I need to get for the prop, I think 10k is a good deal as the = prop is in excellent condition. Shipping is up to you, depends how you = want it J

 

=3D=3D Ronald

 

From: Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of William = A. Hogarty
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:21 PM
To: = Lancair Mailing List
Subject: [LML] Re: Prop for sale....and = no nothing to do with the previous case..

 

Ron:

 

Can I ask why you replaced it?  What did you = replace it with?

 

What do you need to get for it.  = Shipping???

 

Thanks, Bill H.

 

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Ronald STEVENS <Ronald@sdc.com> = wrote:

Hello Bill

 

The prop was new installed on my lancair 4p, has about = 450hours, is located in spruce creek, florida (7fl6)


Ronald = Stevens

 


On Jul 26, = 2013, at 10:39 PM, "William A. Hogarty" <billhogarty@gmail.com> = wrote:

Ron:

 

Im looking for a prop.  What plane was the prop = installed on?  Did you own the prop since it was new.  Have = maint records?  Where located?   =

 

Thanks, bill Hogarty

 

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Ronald Stevens <ronald@sdc.com> = wrote:

Hello guys

 

I do have  the full feathering Hartzell (HC-H3YF-2UF/FC7693DF) for sale as I just had the 4 bladed MT prop = installed. So far this prop does have less vibration and is smoother, = but….well that is it. I do not have the reversed governor = installed yet so I will not do the anticipated PIREP = yet.

 

Anyway, my prop has less than = 450hours, is clean, no nicks, simple wear and tear, but all in 100% = condition, and just had the annual done and was checked as = well.

 

Make me a good offer I cannot = refuse J

 

Thanks – = Ronald

 

Lancair n45HL, IVp, = >250hours and counting….

 

From: Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Colyn = Case
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:17 PM
To: Lancair = Mailing List
Subject: [LML] Re: Potential Problem-Engine = Vibration

 <= /o:p>

Bob, =  there's a blade part and a hub part.

e.g. my = full feathering is a 

HC-H3YF-2UF/= FC7693DF which was the latest and greatest in = 2004.

 <= /o:p>

(It also = has a TKS slinger ring and boots on = it) 

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

On Jul 22, = 2013, at 9:27 AM, Bob Rickard wrote:

 <= /o:p>

Prop is = HC-H3YF-1RF with TSIO-550E on L-IVP

 <= /o:p>

Bob

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

On Jul 21, = 2013, at 11:13 PM, Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> = wrote:

 <= /p>

Bob , =   Can you please specify the model number of the blades and hub? =  More than one exist which match "78 inch = Hartzell"

 <= /o:p>

Colyn


Sent = from my iPhone


On Jul 21, = 2013, at 11:54 PM, Robert R Pastusek <rpastusek@htii.com> = wrote:

Gentlemen,
 
This is an alert for a potentially serious problem with the =
Continental IO/TSIO-550 engine/Hartzell 78” Scimitar propeller =
combination commonly used on Lancair aircraft. Please appreciate that =
this is from a very small data sample, and analysis is on-going, but =
it’s important enough to share what we now know. =

 
Lancair (N619SJ) owner Bob Rickard called last week to advise that =
he’d discovered a major crack in his crankshaft at the propeller =
flange and wanted to alert other owners flying the above engine/prop =
combination of his problem. 
 
Bob has been chasing a random vibration in his airframe since he =
bought the aircraft three years/approximately 500 hours ago. The =
“standard suspects” of prop balance/run-out, engine =
mount/isolators, engine contact with the cowling, etc. had been =
systematically ruled out over time. In frustration, and unwilling to =
just ignore it, Bob ordered a new MT 4-blade to replace the Hartzell, =
remaining very uncomfortable with the vibration and unable to think of =
any other possible fixes. Part of Bob’s discomfort was based on =
the fact that he’d talked extensively to Ed Smith who had similar =
vibration issues with the same engine/propeller combination. (Ed’s =
N9JE experienced an in-flight crankshaft failure/departure of the prop =
in 2010; Ed successfully dead-sticked the airplane onto a =
beach.)
 
Bob’s recent discovery of the cracked crankshaft was made when =
the Hartzell was removed for replacement with a new MT prop. At the time =
of removal/discovery, the engine had just more than 100 flight hours =
since major overhaul. The crankshaft had been checked for cracks at =
overhaul, and the actual eddy current test results were still available =
showing no cracks or irregularities at that time. Bob believes that the =
crack developed within the last 100 flight hours as a result of =
long-term exposure to harmonic vibration, and that this vibration could =
be a result of an incompatibility between his big-bore Continental and =
this specific Hartzell prop. He notes that although this is an =
“FAA approved” engine/propeller combination, he has talked =
to other airplane owners flying this combination who have/are =
experiencing similar vibration issues. =

 
We understand that Continental and the FAA have been notified of this =
problem, but we have no additional information at this time. LOBO =
expects to publish a more detailed report on this in the next monthly =
newsletter, but both Ed Smith and Bob Rickard felt this discovery was =
worth making immediate notification about. Specifically, any unusual or =
new engine vibration should be cause for immediate attention. Bob =
considers himself very lucky to have caught the crack before in-flight =
failure. 
 
We’ll devote a few minutes to share what we know/answer =
questions at our LOBO Safety Forum to be held at 1300 in Forum Pavilion =
2, Monday, 29 August, at AirVenture. Bob Rickard won’t be =
available to discuss this at our safety forum, but you can email him at =
r.rickard@rcginc-us.com. LOBO would also =
appreciate an email or call (rpastusek@htii.com 757-286-4802) if you are experiencing similar =
problems.
 
Thanks,
Bob Pastusek
For =
LOBO

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Bob = Rickard

President= , Rickard Consulting Group, Inc.

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