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From: "William A. Hogarty" To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b45148a6c65f304e29d268d --047d7b45148a6c65f304e29d268d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ron: Can I ask why you replaced it? What did you replace it with? What do you need to get for it. Shipping??? Thanks, Bill H. On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Ronald STEVENS wrote: > Hello Bill > > The prop was new installed on my lancair 4p, has about 450hours, is > located in spruce creek, florida (7fl6) > > > Ronald Stevens > 786-338 1678 > > > On Jul 26, 2013, at 10:39 PM, "William A. Hogarty" > wrote: > > Ron: > > Im looking for a prop. What plane was the prop installed on? Did you ow= n > the prop since it was new. Have maint records? Where located? > > Thanks, bill Hogarty > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Ronald Stevens wrote: > >> Hello guys**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I do have the *full feathering* Hartzell (HC-H3YF-2UF/FC7693DF) for >> sale as I just had the 4 bladed MT prop installed. So far this prop does >> have less vibration and is smoother, but=85.well that is it. I do not ha= ve >> the reversed governor installed yet so I will not do the anticipated PIR= EP >> yet.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Anyway, my prop has less than 450hours, is clean, no nicks, simple wear >> and tear, but all in 100% condition, and just had the annual done and wa= s >> checked as well.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Make me a good offer I cannot refuse J**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks =96 Ronald**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Lancair n45HL, IVp, >250hours and counting=85.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] *On Behalf >> Of *Colyn Case >> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2013 7:17 PM >> *To:* Lancair Mailing List >> *Subject:* [LML] Re: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Bob, there's a blade part and a hub part.**** >> >> e.g. my full feathering is a **** >> >> HC-H3YF-2UF/FC7693DF which was the latest and greatest in 2004.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> (It also has a TKS slinger ring and boots on it) **** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Jul 22, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Bob Rickard wrote:**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Prop is HC-H3YF-1RF with TSIO-550E on L-IVP**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Bob**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Jul 21, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Colyn Case wrote= : >> **** >> >> >> >> **** >> >> Bob , Can you please specify the model number of the blades and hub? >> More than one exist which match "78 inch Hartzell"**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Colyn**** >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone**** >> >> >> On Jul 21, 2013, at 11:54 PM, Robert R Pastusek >> wrote:**** >> >> Gentlemen,**** >> >> **** >> >> This is an alert for a potentially serious problem with the Continental = IO/TSIO-550 engine/Hartzell 78=94 Scimitar propeller combination commonly u= sed on Lancair aircraft. Please appreciate that this is from a very small d= ata sample, and analysis is on-going, but it=92s important enough to share = what we now know. **** >> >> **** >> >> Lancair (N619SJ) owner Bob Rickard called last week to advise that he=92= d discovered a major crack in his crankshaft at the propeller flange and wa= nted to alert other owners flying the above engine/prop combination of his = problem. **** >> >> **** >> >> Bob has been chasing a random vibration in his airframe since he bought = the aircraft three years/approximately 500 hours ago. The =93standard suspe= cts=94 of prop balance/run-out, engine mount/isolators, engine contact with= the cowling, etc. had been systematically ruled out over time. In frustrat= ion, and unwilling to just ignore it, Bob ordered a new MT 4-blade to repla= ce the Hartzell, remaining very uncomfortable with the vibration and unable= to think of any other possible fixes. Part of Bob=92s discomfort was based= on the fact that he=92d talked extensively to Ed Smith who had similar vib= ration issues with the same engine/propeller combination. (Ed=92s N9JE expe= rienced an in-flight crankshaft failure/departure of the prop in 2010; Ed s= uccessfully dead-sticked the airplane onto a beach.)**** >> >> **** >> >> Bob=92s recent discovery of the cracked crankshaft was made when the Har= tzell was removed for replacement with a new MT prop. At the time of remova= l/discovery, the engine had just more than 100 flight hours since major ove= rhaul. The crankshaft had been checked for cracks at overhaul, and the actu= al eddy current test results were still available showing no cracks or irre= gularities at that time. Bob believes that the crack developed within the l= ast 100 flight hours as a result of long-term exposure to harmonic vibratio= n, and that this vibration could be a result of an incompatibility between = his big-bore Continental and this specific Hartzell prop. He notes that alt= hough this is an =93FAA approved=94 engine/propeller combination, he has ta= lked to other airplane owners flying this combination who have/are experien= cing similar vibration issues. **** >> >> **** >> >> We understand that Continental and the FAA have been notified of this pr= oblem, but we have no additional information at this time. LOBO expects to = publish a more detailed report on this in the next monthly newsletter, but = both Ed Smith and Bob Rickard felt this discovery was worth making immediat= e notification about. Specifically, any unusual or new engine vibration sho= uld be cause for immediate attention. Bob considers himself very lucky to h= ave caught the crack before in-flight failure. **** >> >> **** >> >> We=92ll devote a few minutes to share what we know/answer questions at o= ur LOBO Safety Forum to be held at 1300 in Forum Pavilion 2, Monday, 29 Aug= ust, at AirVenture. Bob Rickard won=92t be available to discuss this at our= safety forum, but you can email him at r.rickard@rcginc-us.com. LOBO would= also appreciate an email or call (rpastusek@htii.com 757-286-4802) if you = are experiencing similar problems.**** >> >> **** >> >> Thanks,**** >> >> Bob Pastusek**** >> >> For LOBO**** >> >> ** ** >> >> **** >> >> >> Bob Rickard**** >> >> President, Rickard Consulting Group, Inc.**** >> >> r.rickard@rcginc-us.com**** >> >> >> >> >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> > > --047d7b45148a6c65f304e29d268d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ron:
=A0
Can I ask why you replac= ed it?=A0 What did you replace it with?
=A0
What do you= need to get for it.=A0 Shipping???
=A0
Thanks, Bill H.=


On Sat, Jul 2= 7, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Ronald STEVENS <Ronald@sdc.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hello Bill

The prop was new= installed on my lancair 4p, has about 450hours, is located in spruce creek= , florida (7fl6)


= Ronald Stevens


On Jul 26, 2013, at 10:39 PM, "William A. Hogarty" <= ;billhogarty@gma= il.com> wrote:

Ron:
=A0
Im looking for a prop.=A0 What plane was the prop installe= d on?=A0 Did you own the prop since it was new.=A0 Have maint records?=A0 W= here located?=A0=A0
=A0
Thanks, bill Hogarty


On Tue,= Jul 23, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Ronald Stevens <ronald@sdc.com> wrote= :

Hello guys

=A0

I do have=A0 the full feathering= Hartzell (HC-H3YF-2UF/FC7693DF) for sale as I ju= st had the 4 bladed MT prop installed. So far this prop does have less vibr= ation and is smoother, but=85.well that is it. I do not have the reversed g= overnor installed yet so I will not do the anticipated PIREP yet.=

= =A0

Anyway, my prop has less than 450hours, is clea= n, no nicks, simple wear and tear, but all in 100% condition, and just had = the annual done and was checked as well.

= =A0

Make me a good offer I cannot refuse J

= =A0

Thanks =96 Ronald

=A0

Lancair n45HL, IVp, >250hours and counting=85.

=A0

<= div>

From: Lancair Ma= iling List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Colyn Case
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:17 PM
To: Lancair Mailing Li= st
Subject: [LML] Re: Potential Problem-Engine Vibration

=A0

Bob, =A0there's a blade part and a hub part.

e.g. my full feathering is a=A0

<= div>

HC-H3YF-2UF/FC7693DF which was the latest and gr= eatest in 2004.

=A0

(It also has a TKS slinger ring and boots on it)=A0

=A0

=

=A0

On Jul 22, 2013,= at 9:27 AM, Bob Rickard wrote:

=A0

Prop is HC-H3YF-1RF wit= h TSIO-550E on L-IVP

=A0

Bob

=A0

=A0

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal"> On Jul 21, 2013, at 11:13 PM, Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> wrote:



Bob , =A0 Can you please specify the model= number of the blades and hub? =A0More than one exist which match "78 = inch Hartzell"

<= /u>=A0

Colyn


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 21, 2013, at 11:54 = PM, Robert R Pastusek <rpastusek@htii.com> wrote:

Gentlemen,
=A0
This is an alert for a potentially ser=
ious problem with the Continental IO/TSIO-550 engine/Hartzell 78=94 Scimita=
r propeller combination commonly used on Lancair aircraft. Please appreciat=
e that this is from a very small data sample, and analysis is on-going, but=
 it=92s important enough to share what we now know. 


=A0
Lancair (N619SJ) owner Bob Rickard called last=
 week to advise that he=92d discovered a major crack in his crankshaft at t=
he propeller flange and wanted to alert other owners flying the above engin=
e/prop combination of his problem. 



=A0
Bob has been chasing a random vibration in his=
 airframe since he bought the aircraft three years/approximately 500 hours =
ago. The =93standard suspects=94 of prop balance/run-out, engine mount/isol=
ators, engine contact with the cowling, etc. had been systematically ruled =
out over time. In frustration, and unwilling to just ignore it, Bob ordered=
 a new MT 4-blade to replace the Hartzell, remaining very uncomfortable wit=
h the vibration and unable to think of any other possible fixes. Part of Bo=
b=92s discomfort was based on the fact that he=92d talked extensively to Ed=
 Smith who had similar vibration issues with the same engine/propeller comb=
ination. (Ed=92s N9JE experienced an in-flight crankshaft failure/departure=
 of the prop in 2010; Ed successfully dead-sticked the airplane onto a beac=
h.)



=A0
Bob=92s recent discovery of the cracked cranks=
haft was made when the Hartzell was removed for replacement with a new MT p=
rop. At the time of removal/discovery, the engine had just more than 100 fl=
ight hours since major overhaul. The crankshaft had been checked for cracks=
 at overhaul, and the actual eddy current test results were still available=
 showing no cracks or irregularities at that time. Bob believes that the cr=
ack developed within the last 100 flight hours as a result of long-term exp=
osure to harmonic vibration, and that this vibration could be a result of a=
n incompatibility between his big-bore Continental and this specific Hartze=
ll prop. He notes that although this is an =93FAA approved=94 engine/propel=
ler combination, he has talked to other airplane owners flying this combina=
tion who have/are experiencing similar vibration issues. <=
/u>



=A0
We understand that Continental and the FAA hav=
e been notified of this problem, but we have no additional information at t=
his time. LOBO expects to publish a more detailed report on this in the nex=
t monthly newsletter, but both Ed Smith and Bob Rickard felt this discovery=
 was worth making immediate notification about. Specifically, any unusual o=
r new engine vibration should be cause for immediate attention. Bob conside=
rs himself very lucky to have caught the crack before in-flight failure. 



=A0
We=92ll devote a few minutes to share what we =
know/answer questions at our LOBO Safety Forum to be held at 1300 in Forum =
Pavilion 2, Monday, 29 August, at AirVenture. Bob Rickard won=92t be availa=
ble to discuss this at our safety forum, but you can email him at r.rickard@rcginc-us.c=
om. LOBO would also appreciate an email or call (rpastusek@htii.com 757-286-4802) if yo=
u are experiencing similar problems.



=A0
Thanks,



Bob Pastusek
For LOBO

=A0<= /u>

<RCG Logo for Email.jpg>


Bob Rickard=

President, Rickard= Consulting Group, Inc.




=A0

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal"> =A0



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