X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 12:08:20 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from bay0-omc3-s27.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.190.165] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6306626 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 04 Jun 2013 11:18:46 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.190.165; envelope-from=peterpawaviation@hotmail.com Received: from BAY152-W55 ([65.54.190.187]) by bay0-omc3-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:18:10 -0700 X-TMN: [hjNxfb9Zz1ssreVBA/A95qw9NKTRkaOl] X-Originating-Email: [peterpawaviation@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: peterpawaviation@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ab325c57-82b3-4183-841f-3e3765edde03_" From: PETER WILLIAMS X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: RE: [LML] Re: ACCIDENT INFORMATION IS USEFUL X-Original-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:18:10 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2013 15:18:10.0900 (UTC) FILETIME=[B985B940:01CE6136] --_ab325c57-82b3-4183-841f-3e3765edde03_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable paul the issue was that the pilot had no restraint because he had undone the sho= ulder belt to reach the fuel selector you are right in the case where you are near the panel you would be in the = same danger zone=3B=20 but the second that you sit up straight=2C you are protected again by the shoul= der belt. sure=2C if you had a Nascar type five point belt you would be better protec= ted...but..you would have to undo the belt to reach the fuel selector=2C wh= ich was the issue in this situation. someone has answered about the circumstances=3B the owner know of the tank problem and the ferry pilot moved the plane to = have the problem corrected. sadly=2C only one of the two problems was solve= d. and as a result not all of the fuel was available. one could argue that = the repair shop should have done a fill and drain to confirm the success of= the repair. peter To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue=2C 4 Jun 2013 07:42:04 -0400 From: pjdmiller@gmail.com Subject: [LML] Re: ACCIDENT INFORMATION IS USEFUL Something doesn't make sense. I'm calibrating a new fuel probe in my Legacy= and I can't do that unless I get zero fuel=2C add my 33g or reverse the pr= ocedure and get 33g out. How does someone calibrate a fuel gauge that sho= ws 14g more than is inside the tank with never having drained the tank to z= ero. And I don't think inertial reels are the answer in this example. No longe= r are they considered the best solution for high speed crashes. If you had= bent over and extended the inertial reel to deal with an issue when the ai= rcraft impacted=2C you might be in the same condition as not being restrain= ed. the best solution in racing is now fixed belts of shortest length pos= sible=2C with multiple points to prevent arms=2C head=2C feet and legs from= flailing especially a crotch strap to prevent sliding down to the rudder p= edals. Granted=2C you are just relaying the article but I'm guessing there's more = to this story. Cheers=2C PaulLegacyOn 2013-06-03=2C at 2:25 PM=2C PETER WILLIAMS wrote:fuel and the gages showed fuel available.(and we can assu= me that according to fuel flow and time=2C he perceived that he still had f= uel in the tanks) his head hit the panel the pilot had unhooked his shoulder belt to operate the fuel selector switc= h mounted on the floor. = --_ab325c57-82b3-4183-841f-3e3765edde03_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
paul

the issue was that the pilot had no restra= int because he had undone the shoulder belt to reach the fuel selector
you are right in the case where you are near the panel you would be= in the same danger zone=3B
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the second that = you sit up straight=2C you are protected again by the shoulder belt.=

sure=2C if you had a Na= scar type five point belt you would be better protected...but..you would ha= ve to undo the belt to reach the fuel selector=2C which was the issue in th= is situation.

someone has = answered about the circumstances=3B

 =3Bthe owner know of the ta= nk problem and the ferry pilot moved the plane to have the problem correcte= d. sadly=2C only one of the two problems was solved. and as a result not al= l of the fuel was available. one could argue that the repair shop should ha= ve done a fill and drain to confirm the success of the repair.

peter



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To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Tue=2C 4 Jun= 2013 07:42:04 -0400
From: pjdmiller@gmail.com
Subject: [LML] Re: ACC= IDENT INFORMATION IS USEFUL

Something doesn't make sense. I'm calibr= ating a new fuel probe in my Legacy and I can't do that unless I get zero f= uel=2C add my 33g or reverse the procedure and get 33g out.  =3B How do= es someone calibrate a fuel gauge that shows 14g more than is inside the ta= nk with never having drained the tank to zero.

And I don= 't think inertial reels are the answer in this example.  =3B No longer = are they considered the best solution for high speed crashes.  =3BIf yo= u had bent over and extended the inertial reel to deal with an issue when t= he aircraft impacted=2C you might be in the same condition as not being res= trained.  =3B the best solution in racing is now fixed belts of shortes= t length possible=2C with multiple points to prevent arms=2C head=2C feet a= nd legs from flailing especially a crotch strap to prevent sliding down to = the rudder pedals.

Granted=2C you are just relayin= g the article but I'm guessing there's more to this story.

Cheers=2C

Paul
Legacy
On 2013-06-03=2C at 2:25 PM=2C PETER WILLIAMS <=3Bpeterpawaviation@hotmail.com>=3B = wrote:

fuel and the gages showed fuel available.(an= d we can assume that according to fuel flow and time=2C he perceived that h= e still had fuel in the tanks)

his head hit the panel

the pilot had unhooked his shoulder belt to operate the = fuel selector switch mounted on the floor.


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