X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 12:29:35 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm5-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.112] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6296219 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 29 May 2013 12:26:17 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.112; envelope-from=cwfmd@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 16:25:43 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.69] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 16:25:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2013 16:25:43 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 685895.91210.bm@omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 96793 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2013 16:25:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=l79s8PZZy203XevLLFRuQC0egaPql9UKd35+c2+Cg8yEpoTjGqkmzOJ1CYsEkamk764i6C5A6u4JHUzepobUu8+q9E305rDXmeJhoriNnnp6R90/7+TbQJ0GtzbDEF1CesLMpGSuSeUoUaVntRIrTALwMrOFnhvIfjl/CHYVEFY=; X-YMail-OSG: rriYgVgVM1nkf7UQGiHOVJNxxKWq8y.CSQ5eDCbDtvF5jt7 H4nROF83jjbtr4rTQcM4BdX2HUGkthxwwc64RLAzMa1hsWjFlTYzRglVevT0 CkS0ie1a4qNKyyY692EK0DA4JOcC12K8e8cJ2S6vJ2jXGu82M4i8zv93sMR0 UXT5SgikY1g31TgF0NXb_9egoDSkI.X1kPsTcgEULZiF0Tut7fJkqHxA4idZ p4wNCdE2AzUeZqrJbRDszSaOC5RnNSqUarp9obW1.CE5YSpzXEtvBRXRdDCK 1Kbq7dzMFRkj7FuICJGUepD8YBxP.4M3ExMQCKz3h0T1dNbuzi7HwbVxB5jP 8I8K4RdgZthU7b65NjuUvMEo0STT1Z_twWK4kfSMNgeJMuZKCoMFDNZyq6fO 0YxlT2FrWpup_bz7KhWgUkxHSclEVTAd1Y5BL5WU.EKNUDVW9CXG1Vzc0hxq sO8y3eiYFzLYjXX0XwGh7YUw7jXWIeG3osVtsT2gKvkfQO2AULYUAoH_O0HH CB_r0SP6C3bC0UkvAvCrpjkN76n8TRPA.7PBK9Q-- Received: from [98.196.182.216] by web181705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 29 May 2013 09:25:42 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,RG9lcyBhbnlvbmUgZXhwZWN0IG15IG1lbnRpb24gb2bCoCdIb3cgYWJvdXQgd2F0Y2hpbmcgeW91ciBBT0FzISB0byBhdm9pZCBzdGFsbC1kZXBhcnR1cmVzIChhbmQgc3Vic2VxdWVudCkgc3BpbnMuID8_DQpHb29kIFBvaW50IFRlcnJlbmNlLCBJIGFjY2lkZW50YWxseSBsZWZ0IHRoYXQgb3V0LCBmb2N1c2luZyBvbiB0aGUgU0QgaW5zdGVhZC4uLg0KwqBJIGRvbid0IGxpa2UgdG8gZmx5IGEgTGFuY2FpciB1bmxlc3MgaXQgaGFzIEFPQSBpbnN0YWxsZWQuIEJ1dCBJJ20gYW4gb2xkIE5hdnkgdGVzdCBQaWwBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.144.546 X-Original-Message-ID: <1369844742.69346.YahooMailClassic@web181705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 09:25:42 -0700 (PDT) From: cwfmd@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Lancair Aerobatics X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-237291172-1880631866-1369844742=:69346" ---237291172-1880631866-1369844742=:69346 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone expect my mention of=A0'How about watching your AOAs! to avoid = stall-departures (and subsequent) spins. ?? Good Point Terrence, I accidentally left that out, focusing on the SD inste= ad... =A0I don't like to fly a Lancair unless it has AOA installed. But I'm an ol= d Navy test Pilot. Good comments both about AOA awareness(orientation?) and= control authority. I suspect the IV-P reduced control authority, to paraph= rase Bert, in the tail, "there is not enough" surface. =A0 We have an integrated systems project in our university course, specula= ting on how we could "fix" the IV-P. Suppose you had a fly by wire control = interface. Could the mishap scenarios be over come by limiting certain cont= rol inputs? For example commanding too much angle of attack might limit bac= k stick range or even add power and optimal climb if low altitude? =A0What if instant antispin control override kicks in, like the stick pushe= r in the F-104 or the Eclipse? What might the tradeoff be in aerodynamic im= provements vs fly by wire? The problem is flight testing, because the fleet= is not large enough to support this development and testing. =A0 We used to attack the identified problem, such as the F-14 flat spin(se= e TopGun movie) or the SD issue in the F-16 "lawn dart" , as follows: 1. Identify the problem,=20 2. educate the pilots,=20 3. modify the training (I bagged lots of T-2 flt time, as a SPin/OutaContro= l flt instructor),=20 4. modify the software or display/control etc,=A0=A0 but only lastly , 5.modify the hardware changing the airframe. =A0These are, in sequence of expenses, which increase(exponentially), with = each level.=A0 With the Lancair, we are always in the first 2 or 3 levels, = because of funding, it is hard to reach farther.=A0 The greatest challenge = is to reach those new Lancair enthusiasts, who have not yet been introduced= to 1, 2 , & 3=A0 ! ---237291172-1880631866-1369844742=:69346 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= /tr>
Does anyone expect my mention of
 'H= ow about watching your AOAs! to avoid stall-departures (and subsequent) spi= ns. ??

Good Point Terrence, I accidentally left that ou= t, focusing on the SD instead...
 I don't like to fly a Lanca= ir unless it has AOA installed. But I'm an old Navy test Pilot. Good= comments both about AOA awareness(orientation?) and control authority. I s= uspect the IV-P reduced control authority, to paraphrase Bert, in the tail,= "there is not enough" surface.
  We have an integrated systems pro= ject in our university course, speculating on how we could "fix" the IV-P. = Suppose you had a fly by wire control interface. Could the mishap scenarios= be over come by limiting certain control inputs? For example commanding to= o much angle of attack might limit back stick range or even add power and optimal climb if low altitude?
 What if instant antispin control o= verride kicks in, like the stick pusher in the F-104 or the Eclipse? What m= ight the tradeoff be in aerodynamic improvements vs fly by wire? The proble= m is flight testing, because the fleet is not large enough to support this = development and testing.
  We used to attack the identified problem= , such as the F-14 flat spin(see TopGun movie) or the SD issue in the F-16 = "lawn dart" , as follows:
1. Identify the problem,
2. educate the pi= lots,
3. modify the training (I bagged lots of T-2 flt time, as a SPin/= OutaControl flt instructor),
4. modify the software or display/control = etc,   but only lastly ,
5.modify the hardware changing the ai= rframe.
 These are, in sequence of expenses, which increase(exponen= tially), with each level.  With the Lancair, we are always in the firs= t 2 or 3 levels, because of funding, it is hard to reach farther.  The greatest challenge is to reach those new Lancair enthus= iasts, who have not yet been introduced to 1, 2 , & 3  !
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