X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 10:52:18 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm29-vm2.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.136.216.177] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.4) with ESMTPS id 6244105 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 04 May 2013 07:31:13 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.136.216.177; envelope-from=brucewhitaker67877@yahoo.com Received: from [98.137.12.190] by nm29.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2013 11:30:39 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.231] by tm11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2013 11:30:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1039.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2013 11:30:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 12060.26921.bm@omp1039.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 7493 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2013 11:30:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mTFkOX8PygfIBSggox2yBRRD3QwDbvj46FXjbpJUpmaIkMiIlcaam26optGUPnvvFxRyPvoE0BtpFYJ8xDJmmdzHb+OCWhmGMc7zaNzbwTGA2+UQa9N28kJ29Wo7K5VZXkF0OONT6iG891c53VGKd7UKS6g4nTwGWhHzgqRX0G8=; X-YMail-OSG: GF_b0k8VM1kN7qCp2nIByuGXiEqvhSvpS2cQFL2L1m6uWBI ooj.uFUnkAe2DmswQKPM_MLL3YIJrqaurUkX19UX_ePK.pz7S3l4dgCkKHmQ qZ1IU3SVqoZEPbVFRY0eNuo9il8r1.k73Jc67U9DcZneSaRTL7OF_ypmFNXb BfdUIECjTDRVM8lfWKl0xAfWzSn4hKkIckeD7X56b._0uk1XnDybtefRIe9E 0gjRNgv9KyE.MNlePTWN9HIYQPLn5i8IU3T1eK2pw5m8aXNbR_Mh.Bsb_kre Pl_cGFaITYtrku7Irm2PaQd8ZdlYRUeWFAdkp43OYPrmTFaoInX_xapQLQU3 k3BpixbrVRoKS_ZSK7Ewuva.qLuoy63To8AOoedv_vaIfStB86mlQfmU8_yk 9TOtPckboIeRji4ZmnKn6XRsXVmQ4W0Zkz774YIYH_0iA6def4ihwQKSHeV0 F5UvAWNNZP7XuK0OltF9Z1xAJQzL.oy7Bxkhk0xFC9VUZccWojukuEnmg65Y AXjv0b0UxnYt.VA-- Received: from [204.120.196.53] by web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 May 2013 04:30:38 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,TXVzdCBoYXZlIGJlZW4gZHJ1bmsuwqAgWW91IGNhbid0IGh1cnQgYSBkcnVuay4KCkJydWNlCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fCiBGcm9tOiBKZWZmIEVkd2FyZHMgPHZ0YWlsamVmZkBhb2wuY29tPgpUbzogTGFuY2FpciBNYWlsaW5nIExpc3QgPGxtbEBsYW5jYWlyb25saW5lLm5ldD4gClNlbnQ6IEZyaWRheSwgTWF5IDMsIDIwMTMgMzo0NiBQTQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbTE1MXSBSZTogVHJhdmVsaW5nIHdpdGggYSBkb2cKIAoKCkRvZyByZWZ1c2VkIHRvIGNvb3BlcmF0ZSB3aXRoIGkBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.141.536 References: X-Original-Message-ID: <1367667038.96725.YahooMailNeo@web163806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 04:30:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Whitaker Reply-To: Bruce Whitaker Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Traveling with a dog X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="547783885-182858468-1367667038=:96725" --547783885-182858468-1367667038=:96725 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Must have been drunk.=A0 You can't hurt a drunk.=0A=0ABruce=0A=0A=0A=0A____= ____________________________=0A From: Jeff Edwards =0ATo= : Lancair Mailing List =0ASent: Friday, May 3, 2013= 3:46 PM=0ASubject: [LML] Re: Traveling with a dog=0A =0A=0A=0ADog refused = to cooperate with investigators. Lawyerd up. Accident was 11/29/2010 in Hub= bard, Or. N42BK=0A=0A=0AJeff=A0=0A=0AOn May 3, 2013, at 8:30 AM, Bruce Whit= aker wrote:=0A=0A=0AWas the dog the cause of= the accident?=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A> From= : "vtailjeff@aol.com" =0A>To: lml@lancaironline.net =0A>= Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 4:29 PM=0A>Subject: [LML] Re: Traveling with a = dog=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>Brings to mind a 360 accident in Oregon involving Mr. K= ennedy and his unrestrained large dog. Pilot lost control on takeoff, dog s= urvived, pilot did not. Just saying....=0A>=A0=0A>=A0=0A>-----Original Mess= age-----=0A>From: Joseph Czabaranek =0A>To: lml =0A>Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 4:22 pm=0A>Subject: [LML] R= e: Traveling with a dog=0A>=0A>=0A>I regularly fly with my 60lb Vizsla in t= he back of my 360.=A0=0A>=A0=0A>=A0I got him a harness marketed for securin= g large dogs in the back of your car.=A0 My harnesses attach to the overhea= d hardpoints, leaving the phenolic hardpoints in the aft bulkhead available= to attach the dog.=A0 A U-bolt anchor on each side, 3/16" cord from REI be= tween the two, and an 18" long "shockle" made from 1" tubular webbing and b= ungee cord keeps him secure in the back but free to stand up and turn aroun= d.=A0 I made the shockle, but I know you can buy one.=0A>=A0=0A>I use large= mutt muffs on the Vizsla.=A0 I have medium muffs for my 65lb greyhound (al= so fits in the 360, but being a greyhound is awkward as hell).=A0 The dogs = resisted them at first but now they'll keep them on for the duration of a 6= hr flight.=A0 Before Ive cleared the runway after touchdown they strip em o= ff.=A0 The muffs must be doing something positive for them.=0A>=A0=0A>Your = dog wont need 02.=A0 If your only responsibility is sitting in the back sea= t,=A0you are fine below 25,000.=A0=A0 At 16k cognitive ability might be red= uced and the pup=A0might have an easier time sleeping but no harm done.=0A>= =A0=0A>Joe Cz=0A>N424DH=A0=A0 =0A>=0A>On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Dan B= allin wrote:=0A>=0A>This has come up on occasion, but w= ould like to hear thoughts on taking a 40 lbs Aussie in a Legacy.=0A>>=0A>>= =0AIssues are:=0A>>=0ACrate- thinking about a soft crate.=A0 Hard to imagin= e getting something bigger in the back=0A>>=0A>>=0AHearing - Probably Mutt = Muffs=0A>>=0A>>=0AO2=A0 - Going over the Rockies so probably 16K. I know I = need O2 but any experience with dogs?=A0 Any vets out there?=0A>>=0A>>Dan B= allin=0A>>LEG2 N386DM=A0 about 120 hrs=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A> --547783885-182858468-1367667038=:96725 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Must have been drunk.  You can't hurt a drunk.

Bruce

From: Jeff Edwards <vtailjeff@aol.com> To: Lancair Mailing List <lml@l= ancaironline.net>
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 3:46 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Traveling with a dog

Dog refu= sed to cooperate with investigators. Lawyerd up. Accident was 11/29/2010 in= Hubbard, Or. N42BK


Jeff 

On May 3= , 2013, at 8:30 AM, Bruce Whitaker <brucewhitaker67877@yahoo.com> wrote:

Was the dog the cause of the accident?

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Subject: [LML] R= e: Traveling with a dog

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Br= ings to mind a 360 accident in Oregon involving Mr. Kennedy and his unrestr= ained large dog. Pilot lost control on takeoff, dog survived, pilot did not= . Just saying....
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I regularly fly with my 60lb Vizsla in the back of my 360. =
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 I got him a harness mar= keted for securing large dogs in the back of your car.  My harnesses a= ttach to the overhead hardpoints, leaving the phenolic hardpoints in the af= t bulkhead available to attach the dog.  A U-bolt anchor on each side,= 3/16" cord from REI between the two, and an 18" long "shockle" made from 1= " tubular webbing and bungee cord keeps him secure in the back but free to = stand up and turn around.  I made the shockle, but I know you can buy = one.
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I use large mutt muffs= on the Vizsla.  I have medium muffs for my 65lb greyhound (also fits = in the 360, but being a greyhound is awkward as hell).  The dogs resis= ted them at first but now they'll keep them on for the duration of a 6hr fl= ight.  Before Ive cleared the runway after touchdown they strip em off= .  The muffs must be doing something positive for them.
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Your dog wont need 02.  If your only= responsibility is sitting in the back seat, you are fine below 25,000= .   At 16k cognitive ability might be reduced and the pup mi= ght have an easier time sleeping but no harm done.
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