Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #65147
From: Chris Zavatson <chris_zavatson@yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] LNC2 Old Pump Hydraulics Grief
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2013 11:21:45 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Chris,
The behavior you describe indicates the lack of a functioning back pressure circuit.  Does your pump part number have an "LB" in the number?  If instead it has an "LL", the pump pre-dates the LB back pressure circuit.  If it is an "LB" pump, your spool is in backwards and just needs to be flipped around.
Unfortunately, the photo hints at an older pump.  I see only one TRV and the dip-stick through hole is drilled out.  Also, there is no stand pipe for the return to reservoir.
If it is indeed and older pump without a back pressure circuit (and they are not retrofittable according to Parker),  you'll need to raise the operating pressure of the high side circuit to perhaps 1,500 psi.  Right now your net working pressure on the high side is reduced to: High side settings minus low side PRV setting.   -not enough to get the gear up cleanly.
The ball a spring you removed are for the thermal relief. 
 
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std

From: Christopher Skelt <cskelt@earthlink.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2013 4:08 AM
Subject: [LML] LNC2 Old Pump Hydraulics Grief

This is for the aficionados of old hydraulic pumps.  Mine is from 1989 and I’m having trouble with the retract cycle.  Since my post several months ago I have installed pressure gauges, rebuilt the nose leg actuator, sequence valve and gear door actuator, and serviced the pump with the kit from Lancair.  Same problems, but at least the pressure gauges help diagnose.
 
On the retract cycle pressure builds up on the low side as well as the high side and the pump stops until the low side pressure drops, the pump restarts, raises the gear a bit further, stops, and so on.  Once the gear is up, the pressure on the low side drops off and high side pressure is maintained.  These are symptoms of a reversed spool valve, but this pump’s is symmetrical with a single o-ring.
 
Lowering is OK, and pressure is maintained in the down and locked position, so apparently no internal leaks. 
 
I guessed the return line was blocked, or the ball valve sticky.  See the attached photos.  The spring is very stiff and takes about 15 lb to close it about 0.1 inches.  With a port diameter of less than 1/10 inch, this translates into about 2000 psi to overcome that force.  This doesn’t look like it’s offering only 100 psi resistance and it seems  beefier than the example on Chris Zavatson’s figure 14 on N91cz.com...  Can anyone confirm that the spring looks right or wrong—maybe Friday afternoon at the factory?  And where can I get a replacement return line spring and ball? 
 
The photo of the pump shows the return valve location on the left. 
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Regards, Chris.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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