Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #65080
From: Ken <kkellner1@new.rr.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Aileron balancing
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:27:03 -0400
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Joe,
 
I might be able to save you some of the effort I went through rigging the ailerons.  I have a 4P with winglets.  On my early flights the stick force in roll was very heavy.  My neutral aileron position was to low.  Per the tech help at Lancair, Ross I think, I re-rigged to make the outboard trailing edge of the aileron even with the trailing edge of the winglet.  By doing that, the inboard trailing edge of the ailerons were slightly above the trailing edge of the flaps in the retracted position.  The bottom of ailerons are even with top of the flaps.  That lightened the stick forces considerably.
 
Ken Kellner
IV-P  14LK 
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Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:11 AM
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Aileron balancing

Wade,  I called Lancair and asked how I should determine neutral aileron position.  They said neutral is determined from the wing tip or winglet…. Out board in.   They also said the top of the flap may or may not be exactly neutral.  Frankly, I thought that the top of the flap, aileron and winglet should all be at the same level but it appears –in my case- there is about an 1/8” or so discrepancy between the top flap and top of neutral aileron.  Also the full travel of the aileron was to be 20 degrees down and 14 degrees up as indicated in the build manual Figure 8:D:6.  What I thought was going to be a simple process turned out to be quite difficult.  Joe Trepicone

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Wade
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:02 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Aileron balancing

 

 

 

   I did a reality check today and in my situation the Lancair orientation that Joe pictured worked best. Like others I had tried flipping the weight 180 degrees (flat side on the aileron tab) because it seemed logical that the mass should be as far forward as possible. It just didn’t work for me, and the pictures show why.

 

The two photos show the weight clearance near the inboard hinge, RH wing. It wasn’t easy to take the pictures and the quality isn’t great but the first one shows that there’s about 1/16” clearance at full UP travel, 20 degrees. What shows is the carbon tab (with the screw head). The weight surface is parallel to the pocket interior. If the weight was flipped over or on the bottom of the tab there wouldn’t be nearly enough travel. The second is harder to make out but I’d say there’s 1/8”+ clearance, and you can see the tab/ weight relationship better. The aileron there is at 16 degrees DN, 2 degrees more than required. The manual doesn’t specify how to align the aileron, at least as far as I could find, so I decided to set neutral centered on the flap. If others chose to set the aileron top flush with the top of the flap, that would bias the travel downward, gaining more clearance in the UP direction and using some of the extra clearance I have downward. Maybe that’s why I seem to differ from other posters. How did others set their neutral position?

 

  Perhaps the best way to start would be to try different weight positions, see what the travel is and look into the pocket to get an idea where and how the weight is hitting. Then choose the way that looks best and go for it. Just use the same holes in the aileron tab- unused holes in the weight can easily be filled with solder.  -Bill Wade

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