X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com ([61.9.189.137] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.3) with ESMTP id 6160243 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 06:32:35 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=61.9.189.137; envelope-from=frederickmoreno@bigpond.com Received: from nschwcmgw09p ([61.9.190.169]) by nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20130327103159.PQXD23187.nschwmtas01p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwcmgw09p> for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:31:59 +0000 Received: from Razzle ([60.231.196.70]) by nschwcmgw09p with BigPond Outbound id GaXq1l00K1Xco9Y01aXwBJ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 10:31:59 +0000 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using ID frederick.moreno@bigpond.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bcfpoZzB c=1 sm=1 a=d56EJ3VT9uV+uy8ktyR8LA==:17 a=bH3CkDY7RxIA:10 a=JDadKst33uMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=1IlZJK9HAAAA:8 a=Gw4XD5keJV0A:10 a=HJm5FzfPa1WkpMsKTzIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=OiX7aCgwwkgmvrWLqjMA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=XVB4P008kzrAtu3t:21 a=x0mLEhdcI6ghJkqIEpcA:9 a=HXjIzolwW10A:10 a=dvIeMUh3dxkolpdY:18 a=d56EJ3VT9uV+uy8ktyR8LA==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <5152CA8D.00004B.04488@RAZZLE> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:31:41 +0800 Content-Type: Multipart/related; charset="us-ascii"; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_TKEBGEN4G6G000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (6395248) From: "Frederick Moreno" X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 To: "Lancair Mail (lml@lancaironline.net)" Subject: [LML] Hydraulic gear pump failure - Relays --------------Boundary-00=_TKEBGEN4G6G000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_TKEBBOR4G6G000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_TKEBBOR4G6G000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0D =0D =0D John wrote=0D The only caveat with that fix, Fred, is that intermittent relays are ther= e for a purpose. They are supposed to be the weak link in a circuit where = a continuous stuck relay could result in greater problems than a failure.=20 Does that protective function matter in this circuit?=0D Should be considered.=0D John=0D That is a failure mode I had not considered, to be sure. However, consider: Intermittent relays (usually for starter motors) are intermitte= nt because they are designed to carry LOTS of current for a short time and s= o have large pull in forces, but overheat after a few tens of seconds. So they can not be considered for use in areas where continuous relays are u= sed like battery masters and such. So we use continuous relays all the time= , and count on circuit breakers to do the job if a short occurs. =0D If you prefer an intermittent relay for your hydraulic motor, go ahead, b= ut use a GOOD ONE that will last more than a few dozen cycles as reported previously. =0D Fred --------------Boundary-00=_TKEBBOR4G6G000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

John wrote

The only caveat with that fix, Fred, is = that intermittent relays are there for a purpose. They are supposed= to be the weak link in a circuit where a continuous stuck relay could re= sult in greater problems than a failure. Does that protective funct= ion matter in this circuit?

Should be considered.

John

That is a failure mode I had = not considered, to be sure. However, consider: Intermittent relays = (usually for starter motors) are intermittent because they are designed t= o carry LOTS of current for a short time and so have large pull in forces= , but overheat after a few tens of seconds. So they can not be cons= idered for use in areas where continuous relays are used, like battery ma= sters and such. So we use continuous relays all the time, and count= on circuit breakers to do the job if a short occurs.

If you prefer an intermittent relay for = your hydraulic motor, go ahead, but use a GOOD ONE that will last more th= an a few dozen cycles as reported previously.

Fred

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