X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 23:32:07 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.63] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTP id 5739683 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 12:45:47 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.63; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=F3ZuhUDzOH1Zz31jD3PT1f3SbJsnHHL6uJHLYvQKstFUXeS35mQjeBWszp1TuzcP; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.222.105.151] (helo=[192.168.1.24]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1T7qop-0000xS-9r for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 01 Sep 2012 12:45:11 -0400 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-501-991007168 Subject: Re: [LML] Fw: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 X-Original-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 12:45:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da940623ab9e3df2c737fef39b7856be2c45b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.222.105.151 --Apple-Mail-501-991007168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks for clearing that up. for those that prefer to copy and paste, = try this: http://www.bpaengines.com/ On Sep 1, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Wolfgang wrote: Ok, there's =20 Barrett Precision Engines Inc. in Tulsa, OK . . . aka Barrett Performance Aircraft Inc in Tulsa, OK . . . the one people like = and are saying good things about, =20 and =20 Performance Aero Engines Inc. in LaVerne, CA . . . the one people don't = like and people are complaining about. =20 - - - There is no Barratt Performance Engines. =20 Wolfgang ----- Original Message ----- From: N66mg@aol.com To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 I'm sure that Barrett Performance are very good, but the guys on the = west coast have a builder called LyCon and they are great...They are = located in Visilia, CA...They build the engines for most of the air = racers and guys that race in Reno Micvhael Giardino n7sz =20 In a message dated 8/29/2012 11:07:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, = Wolfgang@MiCom.net writes: "It's confirmed what we all have known for few years. Almost all (good) = roads lead to Barrett Performance Engines." =20 You sure about that ? ? ? =20 Wolfgang =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Barrett To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 OK, =20 Thanks to the many who responded on List and off to my question. Still = haven?t come to a decision what to ultimately do, but it?s almost 100% = assured there is an engine tear down in my future ? and SOON. =20 Lots of constructive input that I appreciate immensely. =20 It?s confirmed what we all have known for few years. Almost all (good) = roads lead to Barrett Performance Engines. =20 John Barrett =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = N66mg@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:03 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 =20 To all that need a good engine rebuilder, I had my Glasair engine = rebuilt by LyCom in Vasilia, CA...When it was rebuilt and installed, = thats when I was glad they did the rebuild...Ran so smooth and with = increased power, same amount of gallons per hour and increase in = speed...=46rom 183kts to 191 kts...I was very happy, they delivered what = they promised...That's my 2 cents Michael Giardino n7sz L-IV 98%=20 =20 In a message dated 8/26/2012 7:54:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, = n5zq@verizon.net writes: John, =20 I have a Performance Engine. With zero time on it, I sent it to Barrett = Precision Engines http://www.bpaengines.com/site.html in Tulsa for = complete teardown and overhaul due to the problems that many others have = had with Performance. Even if no metal was showing up, you?ll never have = any confidence in your engine. I believe that everyone on the list who = has dealt with Barrett will give them a strong recommendation. Bite the = bullet and send it to Barrett (maybe you?ll get a family discount? :-)=20= =20 Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 2,05 hrs. N6ZQ IV under construction http://www.mykitlog.com/harrelson/ =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From: John Barrett Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:56 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Performance Engine TSIO 550 =20 Hello all, =20 I have a quandary with this engine and am hoping to get some help in = solving it. =20 I have about 60 hours on the engine now and it runs quite well. Due to = the worries related to Fred Moreno?s problem with his engine and various = others I was highly concerned about the safety of operating my L-IVP = with this power plant. To that end I?ve been monitoring it closely and = have been doing frequent oil changes to look for developing problems.=20 =20 All parameters have been good except there was silicone early on in the = oil (first change was at 5 hours then at about 15, then at 35 hours and = another later on.) and a slight elevation in aluminum. Second oil = change still have the silicon and aluminum was much higher. Also there = was a bit of metal flakes in the filter element ? non magnetic. Last = oil change was even higher aluminum and silicon still elevated. The oil = filter element looked like it had glitter applied to it. Blackstone has = been doing the oil analysis. I sent the last filter element to Howard = Fenton (2nd oilpinion in Oklahoma) and he expressed concern and advised = to quit flying until the problem is figured out.=20 =20 He says the only metal found is aluminum and he?s never seen or heard of = that. Always in his experience there would be some other metal showing = up in excess as well because there isn?t a place in the engine he?s = aware of the aluminum rubs against aluminum. =20 I discovered after the second oil change that the alternate air door was = not closing completely and that probably explains the silicon. =20 I did compression check a couple of days ago and got normal readings ? = 80/75 to 77. =20 I don?t have a plan about how to trouble shoot the origin of this metal. = I notice that cylinder #5 runs hottest egt?s during warmup but other = than that I can?t think of anything out of the ordinary. =20 Does anyone have a suggestion about how to sleuth out this problem? =20 Reards, =20 John Barrett, CEO Leading Edge Composites PO Box 428 Port Hadlock, WA 98339 =20 www.carbinge.com =20 --Apple-Mail-501-991007168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii thanks for clearing that up.   for those that = prefer to copy and paste, try this:


On Sep 1, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Wolfgang wrote:

Ok, there's
 
Barrett = Precision Engines Inc. in Tulsa, OK . . . aka
Barrett = Performance Aircraft Inc in Tulsa, OK . . . the one people like and are = saying good things = about,
 
and
 
Performan= ce Aero Engines Inc. in LaVerne, CA . . . the one people don't like and = people are complaining about.
 
- - - There is = no Barratt Performance<= span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> Engines.
 
Wolfgang
 Thursday,= August 30, 2012 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Performance = Engine TSIO 550

I'm sure that Barrett Performance are = very good, but the guys on the west coast have a builder called LyCon = and they are great...They are located in Visilia, CA...They build the = engines for most of the air racers and guys that race in = Reno
Micvhael Giardino
n7sz
 
In a message dated = 8/29/2012 11:07:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Wolfgang@MiCom.net writes:
"It's confirmed what we all have known for few = years.  Almost all (good) roads lead to Barrett Performance Engines."
----- Original Message -----
 Tuesday, = August 28, 2012 4:30 PM
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Performance = Engine TSIO 550

OK,

Thanks to the many who responded on List and off to = my question.  Still haven?t come to a decision what to ultimately = do, but it?s almost 100% assured there is an engine tear down in my = future ? and SOON.

 

Lots of constructive input = that I appreciate immensely.

It?s confirmed what we all have known for few = years.  Almost all (good) roads lead to Barrett Performance = Engines.

 

John = Barrett

 

From: Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of N66mg@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 = 5:03 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
S= ubject: [LML] Re: = Performance Engine TSIO 550

 

To all that need a good engine rebuilder,  I = had my Glasair engine rebuilt by LyCom in Vasilia, CA...When it was = rebuilt and installed, thats when I was glad they did the = rebuild...Ran so smooth and with increased power, same amount = of gallons per hour and increase in speed...=46rom 183kts to 191 = kts...I was very happy, they delivered what they promised...That's = my 2 cents

Michael Giardinon7sz  L-IV  98% n5zq@verizon.net writes:

=

John,

 

I have a Performance Engine. With zero time = on it, I sent it to Barrett Precision Engines http://www.bpaengines.com/sit= e.html in Tulsa = for complete teardown and overhaul due to the problems that many others = have had with Performance. Even if no metal was showing up, you?ll never = have any confidence in your engine. I believe that everyone on the list = who has dealt with Barrett will give them a strong recommendation. Bite = the bullet and send it to Barrett (maybe you?ll get a family discount? = :-) 

Bill = Harrelson

N5ZQ = 320 2,05 hrs.

 Saturday, August 25, 2012 = 8:56 AM

Subject: [LML] Performance Engine = TSIO 550

 

Hello = all,

 

I have a quandary with this engine and am = hoping to get some help in solving it.

I have about 60 hours on the engine now and it = runs quite well.  Due to the worries related to Fred Moreno?s = problem with his engine and various others I was highly concerned about = the safety of operating my L-IVP with this power plant.  To that = end I?ve been monitoring it closely and have been doing frequent oil = changes to look for developing problems. 

All parameters have been good except there was silicone early = on in the oil (first change was at 5 hours then at about 15, then at 35 = hours and another later on.) and a slight elevation in aluminum.  = Second oil change still have the silicon and aluminum was much = higher.  Also there was a bit of metal flakes in the filter element = ? non magnetic.  Last oil change was even higher aluminum and = silicon still elevated.  The oil filter element looked like it had = glitter applied to it.  Blackstone has been doing the oil = analysis.  I sent the last filter element to Howard Fenton = (2nd oilpinion in Oklahoma) and = he expressed concern and advised to quit flying until the problem is = figured out. 

 

He says the only = metal found is aluminum and he?s never seen or heard of that.  = Always in his experience there would be some other metal showing up in = excess as well because there isn?t a place in the engine he?s aware of = the aluminum rubs against aluminum.

I discovered after the second oil change that the alternate = air door was not closing completely and that probably explains the = silicon.

 

I did compression check a couple of days ago = and got normal readings ? 80/75 to 77.

I don?t have a plan about how to trouble shoot the origin of = this metal.  I notice that cylinder #5 runs hottest egt?s during = warmup but other than that I can?t think of anything out of the = ordinary.

 

Does anyone have a = suggestion about how to  sleuth out this = problem?

 

Reards,

John Barrett, CEO

Leading Edge = Composites

PO Box 428

Port Hadlock, WA = 98339

 

www.carbinge.com

 

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