X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2012 11:18:42 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTP id 5738745 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:47:18 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=71.74.56.122; envelope-from=Wolfgang@MiCom.net X-Original-Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=cpwZYiEi c=1 sm=0 a=MHZY6FYWMEQOp7S43i2QIw==:17 a=3Zlka_XeuxsA:10 a=nTILFwgvIUwA:10 a=ttCsPuSJ-FAA:10 a=Kp06dZNlvJcA:10 a=rTjvlri0AAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=NmebdO3LAAAA:8 a=-swuVHMQAAAA:8 a=biznXsr5AAAA:8 a=o-Tp4Car6bFMNVleAusA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=cTbNMP9iwpYA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=Dr9Wx-Q63l4A:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=D-0YFTJtfoCGWyaC:21 a=I0rKyb3tMjB1BrWj:21 a=Gsd0bbx5U6PmJ2f49S4A:9 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=amP8cGQ10gkA:10 a=MHZY6FYWMEQOp7S43i2QIw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.218.201.50 Received: from [74.218.201.50] ([74.218.201.50:3505] helo=lobo) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id BA/89-22347-3A411405; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:46:43 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <007101cd87b1$569244c0$6701a8c0@lobo> From: "Wolfgang" X-Original-To: Subject: Fw: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 X-Original-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:46:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01CD878F.CF63F500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01CD878F.CF63F500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, there's=20 Barrett Precision Engines Inc. in Tulsa, OK . . . aka Barrett Performance Aircraft Inc in Tulsa, OK . . . the one people like = and are saying good things about,=20 and=20 Performance Aero Engines Inc. in LaVerne, CA . . . the one people don't = like and people are complaining about. - - - There is no Barratt Performance Engines. Wolfgang ----- Original Message -----=20 From: N66mg@aol.com=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 I'm sure that Barrett Performance are very good, but the guys on the = west coast have a builder called LyCon and they are great...They are = located in Visilia, CA...They build the engines for most of the air = racers and guys that race in Reno Micvhael Giardino n7sz In a message dated 8/29/2012 11:07:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, = Wolfgang@MiCom.net writes: "It's confirmed what we all have known for few years. Almost all = (good) roads lead to Barrett Performance Engines." You sure about that ? ? ? Wolfgang ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Barrett=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 OK, =20 Thanks to the many who responded on List and off to my question. = Still haven?t come to a decision what to ultimately do, but it?s almost = 100% assured there is an engine tear down in my future ? and SOON. =20 Lots of constructive input that I appreciate immensely. =20 It?s confirmed what we all have known for few years. Almost all = (good) roads lead to Barrett Performance Engines. =20 John Barrett =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of N66mg@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:03 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 =20 To all that need a good engine rebuilder, I had my Glasair engine = rebuilt by LyCom in Vasilia, CA...When it was rebuilt and installed, = thats when I was glad they did the rebuild...Ran so smooth and with = increased power, same amount of gallons per hour and increase in = speed...From 183kts to 191 kts...I was very happy, they delivered what = they promised...That's my 2 cents Michael Giardino n7sz L-IV 98%=20 =20 In a message dated 8/26/2012 7:54:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, = n5zq@verizon.net writes: John, =20 I have a Performance Engine. With zero time on it, I sent it to = Barrett Precision Engines http://www.bpaengines.com/site.html in Tulsa = for complete teardown and overhaul due to the problems that many others = have had with Performance. Even if no metal was showing up, you?ll never = have any confidence in your engine. I believe that everyone on the list = who has dealt with Barrett will give them a strong recommendation. Bite = the bullet and send it to Barrett (maybe you?ll get a family discount? = :-) =20 =20 Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 2,05 hrs. N6ZQ IV under construction http://www.mykitlog.com/harrelson/ =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From: John Barrett=20 Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:56 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Subject: [LML] Performance Engine TSIO 550 =20 Hello all, =20 I have a quandary with this engine and am hoping to get some = help in solving it. =20 I have about 60 hours on the engine now and it runs quite well. = Due to the worries related to Fred Moreno?s problem with his engine and = various others I was highly concerned about the safety of operating my = L-IVP with this power plant. To that end I?ve been monitoring it = closely and have been doing frequent oil changes to look for developing = problems. =20 =20 All parameters have been good except there was silicone early on = in the oil (first change was at 5 hours then at about 15, then at 35 = hours and another later on.) and a slight elevation in aluminum. Second = oil change still have the silicon and aluminum was much higher. Also = there was a bit of metal flakes in the filter element ? non magnetic. = Last oil change was even higher aluminum and silicon still elevated. = The oil filter element looked like it had glitter applied to it. = Blackstone has been doing the oil analysis. I sent the last filter = element to Howard Fenton (2nd oilpinion in Oklahoma) and he expressed = concern and advised to quit flying until the problem is figured out. =20 =20 He says the only metal found is aluminum and he?s never seen or = heard of that. Always in his experience there would be some other metal = showing up in excess as well because there isn?t a place in the engine = he?s aware of the aluminum rubs against aluminum.=20 =20 I discovered after the second oil change that the alternate air = door was not closing completely and that probably explains the silicon. =20 I did compression check a couple of days ago and got normal = readings ? 80/75 to 77. =20 I don?t have a plan about how to trouble shoot the origin of = this metal. I notice that cylinder #5 runs hottest egt?s during warmup = but other than that I can?t think of anything out of the ordinary. =20 Does anyone have a suggestion about how to sleuth out this = problem? =20 Reards, =20 John Barrett, CEO Leading Edge Composites PO Box 428 Port Hadlock, WA 98339 =20 www.carbinge.com ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01CD878F.CF63F500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, there's
 
Barrett Precision Engines Inc. in Tulsa, OK . . . aka
Barrett Performance Aircraft Inc in Tulsa, OK . . . the one people = like and=20 are saying good things about,
 
and
 
Performance Aero Engines Inc. in LaVerne, CA . . . the one people = don't=20 like and people are complaining about.
 
- - - There is no Barratt Performance = Engines.
 
Wolfgang
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 N66mg@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 = 1:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: = Performance Engine=20 TSIO 550

I'm sure = that Barrett=20 Performance are very good, but the guys on the west coast have a = builder=20 called LyCon and they are great...They are located in Visilia, = CA...They build=20 the engines for most of the air racers and guys that race in = Reno
Micvhael=20 Giardino
n7sz
 
In a message dated 8/29/2012 11:07:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, = Wolfgang@MiCom.net writes:
"It's confirmed what we all have known for few = years. =20 Almost all (good) roads lead to Barrett Performance=20 Engines."
 
You=20 sure about that ? ? ?
 
Wolfgang
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 John Barrett
To: lml@lancaironline.net =
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, = 2012 4:30=20 PM
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: = Performance=20 Engine TSIO 550

OK,

 

Thanks=20 to the many who responded on List and off to my question.  = Still=20 haven?t come to a decision what to ultimately do, but it?s almost = 100%=20 assured there is an engine tear down in my future ? and=20 SOON.

 

Lots=20 of constructive input that I appreciate = immensely.

 

It?s=20 confirmed what we all have known for few years.  Almost all = (good)=20 roads lead to Barrett Performance Engines.

 

John=20 Barrett

 

From: = Lancair=20 Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 N66mg@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:03=20 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] = Re:=20 Performance Engine TSIO 550

 

To=20 all that need a good engine rebuilder,  I had my Glasair = engine=20 rebuilt by LyCom in Vasilia, CA...When it was rebuilt and = installed,=20 thats when I was glad they did the rebuild...Ran so smooth = and with=20 increased power, same amount of gallons per hour and increase = in=20 speed...From 183kts to 191 kts...I was very happy, = they delivered=20 what they promised...That's my 2 cents

Michael Giardino

n7sz =20 L-IV  98% 

 

In=20 a message dated 8/26/2012 7:54:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 n5zq@verizon.net writes:

John,

 

I have a=20 Performance Engine. With zero time on it, I sent it to Barrett = Precision=20 Engines http://www.bpaengines.com/si= te.html=20 in Tulsa for complete teardown and overhaul due to the problems = that=20 many others have had with Performance. Even if no metal was = showing up,=20 you?ll never have any confidence in your engine. I believe that = everyone=20 on the list who has dealt with Barrett will give them a strong=20 recommendation. Bite the bullet and send it to Barrett (maybe = you?ll get=20 a family discount? :-) 

 

Bill=20 Harrelson

N5ZQ 320=20 2,05 hrs.

N6ZQ =20 IV under construction

http://www.mykitlog.com/harre= lson/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From:=20 John Barrett=20

Sent:=20 Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:56 AM

Subject:=20 [LML] Performance Engine TSIO=20 550

 

Hello=20 all,

 

I have a quandary = with this=20 engine and am hoping to get some help in solving=20 it.

 

I have about 60 hours on the engine now = and it runs=20 quite well.  Due to the worries related to Fred Moreno?s = problem=20 with his engine and various others I was highly concerned about = the=20 safety of operating my L-IVP with this power plant.  To = that end=20 I?ve been monitoring it closely and have been doing frequent oil = changes=20 to look for developing problems. 

 

All parameters = have been good=20 except there was silicone early on in the oil (first change was = at 5=20 hours then at about 15, then at 35 hours and another later on.) = and a=20 slight elevation in aluminum.  Second oil change still have = the=20 silicon and aluminum was much higher.  Also there was a bit = of=20 metal flakes in the filter element ? non magnetic.  Last = oil change=20 was even higher aluminum and silicon still elevated.  The = oil=20 filter element looked like it had glitter applied to it. =20 Blackstone has been doing the oil analysis.  I sent the = last filter=20 element to Howard Fenton (2nd oilpinion in Oklahoma) = and he=20 expressed concern and advised to quit flying until the problem = is=20 figured out. 

 

He says the only = metal found=20 is aluminum and he?s never seen or heard of that.  Always = in his=20 experience there would be some other metal showing up in excess = as well=20 because there isn?t a place in the engine he?s aware of the = aluminum=20 rubs against aluminum.

 

I discovered = after the second=20 oil change that the alternate air door was not closing = completely and=20 that probably explains the silicon.

 

I did compression = check a=20 couple of days ago and got normal readings ? 80/75 to=20 77.

 

I don?t have a = plan about how=20 to trouble shoot the origin of this metal.  I notice that = cylinder=20 #5 runs hottest egt?s during warmup but other than that I can?t = think of=20 anything out of the ordinary.

 

Does anyone have = a suggestion=20 about how to  sleuth out this = problem?

 

Reards,

 

John Barrett,=20 CEO

Leading Edge=20 Composites

PO Box=20 428

Port Hadlock, WA=20 98339

 

www.carbinge.com

 

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