X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:42:30 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com ([69.89.22.20] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with SMTP id 5738202 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:01:23 -0400 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.89.22.20; envelope-from=danny@n107sd.com Received: (qmail 8487 invoked by uid 0); 31 Aug 2012 15:00:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host295.hostmonster.com) (66.147.240.95) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 2012 15:00:47 -0000 Received: from [71.178.196.38] (port=1335 helo=DannyLaptop) by host295.hostmonster.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1T7SiC-0003Ta-W6 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 09:00:47 -0600 From: "Danny" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 X-Original-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:00:36 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <000f01cd8789$6379d310$2a6d7930$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD8767.DC683310" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: Ac2G0w0fRyH8zH73T5uWmFfPn6e4IQAtjv8g X-Identified-User: {3234:host295.hostmonster.com:wunderwe:n107sd.com} {sentby:smtp auth 71.178.196.38 authed with danny@n107sd.com} This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD8767.DC683310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Because not enough people have files formal complaints with the FAA. =20 Danny LNC2-360, 650 hours N 38=B0 43' 25.7" W 77=B0 30' 38.6" =20 From: John Barrett [mailto:jbarrett@carbinge.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:15 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 =20 Good question. =20 I don=92t know. =20 John Barrett =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:54 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 =20 Why has the FAA not shut these guys (Performance Aero Engines Inc.) down = ? ? =20 Wolfgang ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ronald STEVENS =20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [LML] Performance Engine TSIO 550 =20 In my opinion, SOON, should be NOW, no kidding I had an Performance = Engine on my Velocity and the bolts came of from the cylinders as they were = torqued wrong. I had 2 bolts coming off the engine and going through the = propeller.=20 =20 Thank god they actually damaged the prop so we had to start looking for = the why....well it was ugly. This engine had only 200 hours on it. Oh and I did managed to talk to them 1 time, and they came with some BS story that the bolt might broke off because of some gas trapped inside = the metal......sure.....and they believe in Santa too lol =20 We had a rocker failure before (at 100 hours) and for me this engine was = a nightmare. Definitely do the overhaul, get the engine back to specs, and forget about the 400HP they claim....is BS anyway, as you will never use this, not even on takeoff as you really do not need 400hp to take off in = a IV-p =20 So do yourself and your family a favor...... =20 Just my opinion, Ronald =20 =20 On Aug 28, 2012, at 4:30 PM, John Barrett wrote: =20 OK, Thanks to the many who responded on List and off to my question. Still haven=92t come to a decision what to ultimately do, but it=92s almost = 100% assured there is an engine tear down in my future =96 and SOON. Lots of constructive input that I appreciate immensely. It=92s confirmed what we all have known for few years. Almost all = (good) roads lead to Barrett Performance Engines. John Barrett From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of N66mg@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:03 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 To all that need a good engine rebuilder, I had my Glasair engine = rebuilt by LyCom in Vasilia, CA...When it was rebuilt and installed, thats when = I was glad they did the rebuild...Ran so smooth and with increased power, = same amount of gallons per hour and increase in speed...From 183kts to 191 kts...I was very happy, they delivered what they promised...That's my 2 cents Michael Giardino n7sz L-IV 98%=20 In a message dated 8/26/2012 7:54:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, n5zq@verizon.net writes: John, I have a Performance Engine. With zero time on it, I sent it to Barrett Precision Engines http://www.bpaengines.com/site.html in Tulsa for = complete teardown and overhaul due to the problems that many others have had with Performance. Even if no metal was showing up, you=92ll never have any confidence in your engine. I believe that everyone on the list who has = dealt with Barrett will give them a strong recommendation. Bite the bullet and send it to Barrett (maybe you=92ll get a family discount? :-)=20 Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 2,050 hrs. N6ZQ IV under construction http://www.mykitlog.com/harrelson/ From: John Barrett =20 Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:56 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Performance Engine TSIO 550 Hello all, I have a quandary with this engine and am hoping to get some help in = solving it. I have about 60 hours on the engine now and it runs quite well. Due to = the worries related to Fred Moreno=92s problem with his engine and various = others I was highly concerned about the safety of operating my L-IVP with this power plant. To that end I=92ve been monitoring it closely and have = been doing frequent oil changes to look for developing problems.=20 All parameters have been good except there was silicone early on in the = oil (first change was at 5 hours then at about 15, then at 35 hours and = another later on.) and a slight elevation in aluminum. Second oil change still = have the silicon and aluminum was much higher. Also there was a bit of metal flakes in the filter element =96 non magnetic. Last oil change was even higher aluminum and silicon still elevated. The oil filter element = looked like it had glitter applied to it. Blackstone has been doing the oil analysis. I sent the last filter element to Howard Fenton (2nd = oilpinion in Oklahoma) and he expressed concern and advised to quit flying until the problem is figured out.=20 He says the only metal found is aluminum and he=92s never seen or heard = of that. Always in his experience there would be some other metal showing = up in excess as well because there isn=92t a place in the engine he=92s = aware of the aluminum rubs against aluminum. I discovered after the second oil change that the alternate air door was = not closing completely and that probably explains the silicon. I did compression check a couple of days ago and got normal readings =96 = 80/75 to 77. I don=92t have a plan about how to trouble shoot the origin of this = metal. I notice that cylinder #5 runs hottest egt=92s during warmup but other = than that I can=92t think of anything out of the ordinary. Does anyone have a suggestion about how to sleuth out this problem? Regards, John Barrett, CEO Leading Edge Composites PO Box 428 Port Hadlock, WA 98339 www.carbinge.com =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01CD8767.DC683310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Because not enough people have files = formal complaints with the FAA.

 

Danny

=

LNC2-360, 650 = hours

N 38=B0 43' = 25.7"

W 77=B0 30' = 38.6"

 

From: John Barrett = [mailto:jbarrett@carbinge.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 = 1:15 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Performance = Engine TSIO 550

 

Good question.

 

I don’t know.

 

John Barrett

 

From: Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of = Wolfgang
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 = 9:54 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Performance = Engine TSIO 550

 

Why has the = FAA not shut these guys (Performance Aero Engines Inc.) down ? = ?

 

=

Wolfgang

----- = Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, = August 29, 2012 5:52 AM

Subject: Re: [LML] = Performance Engine TSIO 550

 

In my opinion, SOON, should be NOW, no = kidding I had an Performance Engine on my Velocity and the bolts came of = from the cylinders as they were torqued wrong. I had 2 bolts coming off = the engine and going through the propeller. =

 

=

Thank god they actually damaged the prop so = we had to start looking for the why....well it was ugly. This engine had = only 200 hours on it.

Oh and I did managed to talk to them 1 time, = and they came with some BS story that the bolt might broke off because = of some gas trapped inside the metal......sure.....and they believe in = Santa too lol

 

=

We had a rocker failure before (at 100 hours) = and for me this engine was a nightmare. Definitely do the overhaul, get = the engine back to specs, and forget about the 400HP they claim....is BS = anyway, as you will never use this, not even on takeoff as you really do = not need 400hp to take off in a = IV-p

 

=

So do yourself and your family a = favor......

 

=

Just my opinion, = Ronald

 

=

 

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>On Aug 28, 2012, at 4:30 PM, John Barrett = wrote:

 

OK,

Thanks to the many who responded on List and off to my = question.  Still haven’t come to a decision what to = ultimately do, but it’s almost 100% assured there is an engine = tear down in my future – and = SOON.

Lots of constructive input that I appreciate = immensely.

It’s confirmed what we all have known for few years.  = Almost all (good) roads lead to Barrett Performance = Engines.

John Barrett

From: Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of N66mg@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:03 = AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Performance Engine = TSIO 550

To all that need a good engine rebuilder,  I had = my Glasair engine rebuilt by LyCom in Vasilia, CA...When it was rebuilt = and installed, thats when I was glad they did the rebuild...Ran so = smooth and with increased power, same amount of gallons per hour = and increase in speed...From 183kts to 191 kts...I was very happy, = they delivered what they promised...That's my 2 = cents

Michael Giardino

n7sz  L-IV  98%&= nbsp;

I= n a message dated 8/26/2012 7:54:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, n5zq@verizon.net writes:

=

John,

I have a Performance Engine. With zero = time on it, I sent it to Barrett Precision Engines http://www.bpaengines.com/s= ite.html in Tulsa = for complete teardown and overhaul due to the problems that many others = have had with Performance. Even if no metal was showing up, you’ll = never have any confidence in your engine. I believe that everyone on the = list who has dealt with Barrett will give them a strong recommendation. = Bite the bullet and send it to Barrett (maybe you’ll get a family = discount? :-) 

Bill = Harrelson

N5ZQ 320 2,050 = hrs.

N6ZQ  IV under = construction

From:=  = John = Barrett

Sent:=  = Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:56 = AM

Subject:=  = [LML] Performance Engine TSIO = 550

<= div>

Hello = all,

I have a quandary with this = engine and am hoping to get some help in solving = it.

I have about 60 hours on the = engine now and it runs quite well.  Due to the worries related to = Fred Moreno’s problem with his engine and various others I was = highly concerned about the safety of operating my L-IVP with this power = plant.  To that end I’ve been monitoring it closely and have = been doing frequent oil changes to look for developing = problems. 

All parameters have = been good except there was silicone early on in the oil (first change = was at 5 hours then at about 15, then at 35 hours and another later on.) = and a slight elevation in aluminum.  Second oil change still have = the silicon and aluminum was much higher.  Also there was a bit of = metal flakes in the filter element – non magnetic.  Last oil = change was even higher aluminum and silicon still elevated.  The = oil filter element looked like it had glitter applied to it.  = Blackstone has been doing the oil analysis.  I sent the last filter = element to Howard Fenton (2nd oilpinion in Oklahoma) and he = expressed concern and advised to quit flying until the problem is = figured out. 

He says the only = metal found is aluminum and he’s never seen or heard of = that.  Always in his experience there would be some other metal = showing up in excess as well because there isn’t a place in the = engine he’s aware of the aluminum rubs against = aluminum.

I discovered after = the second oil change that the alternate air door was not closing = completely and that probably explains the = silicon.

I did compression = check a couple of days ago and got normal readings – 80/75 to = 77.

I don’t have a plan about = how to trouble shoot the origin of this metal.  I notice that = cylinder #5 runs hottest egt’s during warmup but other than that I = can’t think of anything out of the = ordinary.

Does anyone have a = suggestion about how to  sleuth out this = problem?

Regards,<= /p>

John Barrett, = CEO

Leading Edge = Composites

PO Box = 428

Port Hadlock, WA = 98339

 

 

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