X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:02:47 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTP id 5729633 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:43:18 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.42; envelope-from=N66mg@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.76]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q7QJgeeV007765 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:42:40 -0400 Received: from core-dse005c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dse005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.227.209]) by mtaomg-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 04F98E000085 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:42:40 -0400 (EDT) From: N66mg@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <7be8.71a3b983.3d6bd62f@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 15:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Performance Engine TSIO 550 X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7be8.71a3b983.3d6bd62f_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.7 sub 27 X-Originating-IP: [68.225.245.86] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:463264736:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294c503a7c3009b1 --part1_7be8.71a3b983.3d6bd62f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en To all that need a good engine rebuilder, I had my Glasair engine rebuilt= =20 by LyCom in Vasilia, CA...When it was rebuilt and installed, thats when I= =20 was glad they did the rebuild...Ran so smooth and with increased power,=20 same amount of gallons per hour and increase in speed...From 183kts to 191= =20 kts...I was very happy, they delivered what they promised...That's my 2 ce= nts Michael Giardino n7sz L-IV 98%=20 =20 =20 In a message dated 8/26/2012 7:54:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, =20 n5zq@verizon.net writes: =20 John, =20 I have a Performance Engine. With zero time on it, I sent it to Barrett=20 Precision Engines _http://www.bpaengines.com/site.html_=20 (http://www.bpaengines.com/site.html) in Tulsa for complete teardown and = overhaul due to the=20 problems that many others have had with Performance. Even if no metal was= =20 showing up, you=E2=80=99ll never have any confidence in your engine. I bel= ieve that=20 everyone on the list who has dealt with Barrett will give them a strong=20 recommendation. Bite the bullet and send it to Barrett (maybe you=E2=80=99= ll get a family=20 discount? :-) =20 Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 2,050 hrs. N6ZQ IV under construction _http://www.mykitlog.com/harrelson/_ (http://www.mykitlog.com/harrelson/)= =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From: _John Barrett_ (mailto:jbarrett@carbinge.com) =20 Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:56 AM To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net) =20 Subject: [LML] Performance Engine TSIO 550 =20 =20 =20 Hello all,=20 I have a quandary with this engine and am hoping to get some help in=20 solving it.=20 I have about 60 hours on the engine now and it runs quite well. Due to=20 the worries related to Fred Moreno=E2=80=99s problem with his engine and v= arious=20 others I was highly concerned about the safety of operating my L-IVP with = this=20 power plant. To that end I=E2=80=99ve been monitoring it closely and have= been=20 doing frequent oil changes to look for developing problems. =20 All parameters have been good except there was silicone early on in the=20 oil (first change was at 5 hours then at about 15, then at 35 hours and=20 another later on.) and a slight elevation in aluminum. Second oil change = still=20 have the silicon and aluminum was much higher. Also there was a bit of=20 metal flakes in the filter element =E2=80=93 non magnetic. Last oil chang= e was even=20 higher aluminum and silicon still elevated. The oil filter element looked= =20 like it had glitter applied to it. Blackstone has been doing the oil=20 analysis. I sent the last filter element to Howard Fenton (2nd oilpinion = in=20 Oklahoma) and he expressed concern and advised to quit flying until the pr= oblem=20 is figured out. =20 He says the only metal found is aluminum and he=E2=80=99s never seen or he= ard of=20 that. Always in his experience there would be some other metal showing up= =20 in excess as well because there isn=E2=80=99t a place in the engine he=E2= =80=99s aware of=20 the aluminum rubs against aluminum. =20 I discovered after the second oil change that the alternate air door was= =20 not closing completely and that probably explains the silicon.=20 I did compression check a couple of days ago and got normal readings =E2= =80=93=20 80/75 to 77.=20 I don=E2=80=99t have a plan about how to trouble shoot the origin of this = metal. =20 I notice that cylinder #5 runs hottest egt=E2=80=99s during warmup but oth= er than=20 that I can=E2=80=99t think of anything out of the ordinary.=20 Does anyone have a suggestion about how to sleuth out this problem?=20 Regards,=20 John Barrett, CEO=20 Leading Edge Composites=20 PO Box 428=20 Port Hadlock, WA 98339=20 www.carbinge.com=20 --part1_7be8.71a3b983.3d6bd62f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
To all that need= a good=20 engine rebuilder,  I had my Glasair engine rebuilt by LyCom in Vasilia= ,=20 CA...When it was rebuilt and installed, thats when I was glad they did= the=20 rebuild...Ran so smooth and with increased power, same amount of gallo= ns=20 per hour and increase in speed...From 183kts to 191 kts...I was very happy,= =20 they delivered what they promised...That's my 2 cents
Michael Giardino
n7sz  L-IV&= nbsp;=20 98% 
 
In a message dated 8/26/2012 7:54:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,=20 n5zq@verizon.net writes:
=
John,
 
I have a Performance Engine. With zero t= ime on=20 it, I sent it to Barrett Precision Engines http://www.bpaengines.com/si= te.html=20 in Tulsa for complete teardown and overhaul due to the problems that many= =20 others have had with Performance. Even if no metal was showing up, you=E2= =80=99ll=20 never have any confidence in your engine. I believe that everyone on the = list=20 who has dealt with Barrett will give them a strong recommendation. Bite t= he=20 bullet and send it to Barrett (maybe you=E2=80=99ll get a family discount= ? :-) =20
 
Bill Harrelson
N5ZQ 320 2,050 hrs.
N6ZQ  IV under construction
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: John=20 Barrett
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:56 AM
Subject: [LML] Performance Engine TSIO 550
 

Hello all,

 

I have a quandary with this engine and am hoping to = get=20 some help in solving it.

 

I have about 60 hours on the engine now and it runs = quite=20 well.  Due to the worries related to Fred Moreno=E2=80=99s problem w= ith his=20 engine and various others I was highly concerned about the safety of oper= ating=20 my L-IVP with this power plant.  To that end I=E2=80=99ve been monit= oring it=20 closely and have been doing frequent oil changes to look for developing= =20 problems. 

 

All parameters have been good except there was silic= one=20 early on in the oil (first change was at 5 hours then at about 15, then a= t 35=20 hours and another later on.) and a slight elevation in aluminum.  Se= cond=20 oil change still have the silicon and aluminum was much higher.  Als= o=20 there was a bit of metal flakes in the filter element =E2=80=93 non magne= tic. =20 Last oil change was even higher aluminum and silicon still elevated. = ; The=20 oil filter element looked like it had glitter applied to it.  Blacks= tone=20 has been doing the oil analysis.  I sent the last filter element to= =20 Howard Fenton (2nd oilpinion in Oklahoma) and he expressed con= cern=20 and advised to quit flying until the problem is figured out. =20

 

He says the only metal found is aluminum and he=E2= =80=99s never=20 seen or heard of that.  Always in his experience there would be some= =20 other metal showing up in excess as well because there isn=E2=80=99t a pl= ace in the=20 engine he=E2=80=99s aware of the aluminum rubs against aluminum.

 

I discovered after the second oil change that the al= ternate=20 air door was not closing completely and that probably explains the=20 silicon.

 

I did compression check a couple of days ago and got= normal=20 readings =E2=80=93 80/75 to 77.

 

I don=E2=80=99t have a plan about how to trouble sho= ot the origin=20 of this metal.  I notice that cylinder #5 runs hottest egt=E2=80=99s= during=20 warmup but other than that I can=E2=80=99t think of anything out of the= =20 ordinary.

 

Does anyone have a suggestion about how to  sle= uth out=20 this problem?

 

Regards,

 

John Barrett, CEO

Leading Edge Composites

PO Box 428

Port Hadlock, WA 98339

 

www.carbinge.com

 

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