X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 08:18:08 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTP id 5530920 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 10 May 2012 08:00:30 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=tednoel@cfl.rr.com X-Original-Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bLSU0YCZ c=1 sm=0 a=Juz4b5MAAxrvp7e3l7SsjA==:17 a=zv7pOm2hHFMA:10 a=1F-HOIdIGasA:10 a=P_ehGkJl0mIA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=VDOzBeQoWfviqWDXImsA:9 a=enSAhdBFX-KTIpY3YJ0A:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=CVU0O5Kb7MsA:10 a=MXWOMtxp0o3lPUO4:21 a=u1QxrDTVejMq9bgW:21 a=Juz4b5MAAxrvp7e3l7SsjA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 97.101.122.192 Received: from [97.101.122.192] ([97.101.122.192:49543] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 4B/F3-29249-ABDABAF4; Thu, 10 May 2012 11:59:54 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <4FABADBD.2010107@cfl.rr.com> X-Original-Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 07:59:57 -0400 From: Ted Noel Reply-To: tednoel@cfl.rr.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Necessity of A/C in IV-P? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hamid, Your qualifications are well-established. but perhaps you are reading my comments to say something I'm not trying to say. In any aircraft, there will be building variations. In production aircraft, the production test pilot serves to be certain that there are no deficiencies within the certified envelope. In our aircraft, there is no certified envelope. As a result, a good test pilot will attempt to establish a safe envelope. For example, the location of stall strips will be adjusted to tame the stall. With regard to the air conditioning holes, the obvious question is reduced structural integrity leading to reduced flutter margins. A good test pilot should be able to nibble at that edge of the envelope to identify a flight limitation (VNE). We have a number of air conditioners flying, and I haven't heard of the holes being implicated in a structural failure. That doesn't mean that they won't be. But the fact that they are accumulating flight hours suggests that they may be safe. If a structural analysis were to raise a big red flag, obviously that could not be readily ignored. But our continued flight testing suggests that that is unlikely. Please note that I'm not declaring a settled question. Rather, I see a tendency in the data. Ted Noel N540TF On 5/9/2012 1:38 PM, Hamid Wasti wrote: > Ted Noel wrote: >> 3. Flight testing with a competent test pilot. >> >> I think #3 is best since it deals with the variabilities of the >> installation and creates a hard VNE number. > Does it? How much margin do you have? Testing is intended to validate > engineering analysis, not to substitute it. > >> Also, there are a lot of A/C installations flying. This implies a >> degree of safety. > Does it? How does your installation compare to the flying > installations? How much safety margin do they have and how much will > you have? How far have they pushed their airframe (intentionally and > unintentionally) and how far will you push yours? > > All that the flying installations indicate is that no one has done > anything in their aircraft that has led to the airframe failing due to > the modifications. Maybe there is enough margin that it has not > compromised safety at all. Maybe it has cut deeply into the safety > margin and there have been a lot of very close calls that no one has > known about. Without a real engineering analysis taking the big > picture in mind, no one really knows. > > Regards, > > Hamid > > -- > For archives and unsub > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/4987 - Release Date: 05/09/12 > >