X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 12:30:01 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from carbinge.com ([69.5.27.218] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with SMTP id 5527503 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 08 May 2012 10:00:14 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.5.27.218; envelope-from=jbarrett@carbinge.com Received: (qmail 22261 invoked from network); 8 May 2012 13:59:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; h=X-Originating-IP:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; s=default; d=carbinge.com; b=Qm0tVbKN7ct6KaPrLeyIxa+eVFQkYz7/J7jLexIOoOd6gqvOG/g1ZPGDO7WOP3bBYy9IM64eZGYnkGD3gi0P6eB9qXlXpTKVRu/C4GeCy2OAKt4KtN130QBkPkIB6qk6EKfUTOcoqd0giZC7VuAovWVZ/U5JbFmP+CGc2pQoS2U=; X-Originating-IP: [24.143.114.61] Reply-To: From: "John Barrett" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats EA50 X-Original-Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 06:59:37 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <011901cd2d22$cef827c0$6ce87740$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_011A_01CD2CE8.22994FC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0scNhFUFYB1HxfTNOu4cOnuah5gwAsS3qQ Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011A_01CD2CE8.22994FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are we getting into a IVP vs Evolution war here? Not much future in that, but I do recall when I started building my IVP two lifetimes ago, that one of the major incentives was investment resale value. I was going to be adding to my net worth by building this thing. Now it's worth a lot less than I have in it. No reason to expect time and circumstances to be so unkind to Evo owners but it is true that things rarely turn out just the way we think they will when we get down the road. Regards, John Barrett From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of bu131@swbell.net Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:46 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats EA50 You are so kind with your comments The original question was using an early eclipse vintage, certainly we are not talking about gulfstreams here Keep in mind I have no idea of the cost of a vintage eclipse but I can assure you that the resale value of an evo will beat the hell of whatever investment you put on the initial choice And I hope you have a good day too Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _____ From: "John Hafen" Sender: "Lancair Mailing List" Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 07:51:20 -0400 To: ReplyTo: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: [LML] Re: Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats EA50 Well, perhaps because the Evo costs 3X what my IVP costs. Why don't you try a Citation, or a Gulfstream? John Hafen IVP 413AJ 400 Hours From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dr Andres Katz Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:13 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats EA50 why dont you try an evo i get 300+ to 310 at 28k usually run 28 gph and goes 1500 miles check flightaware for mine redmond dallas non stop with 15 kts tailwind landed with 40 gallons the final a/c after the guys at lancair diddled with it and placed an additional air cooler in front of the cowling works perfectly i even have a fresh air modulator now beats the hell of the eclipse and the new garmin a/p works as magic instead of the *%#* sorcerer _____ From: "cwfmd@yahoo.com" To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 9:25 AM Subject: [LML] Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats EA50 I tried flying without AC in the summer in Houston. You can dump the door seal and get some relief above say 6000 feet, but I wouldn't do it with passengers, ears etc. I also tried hot wx army vests with cooling. Weird feeling too cold over your chest and your head's too hot.... The desert cooler worked pretty good but iced up the windows... cool but IMC After about 3 years of this, we installed AC. We just made a deal on an early "vintage" Eclipse. We are using it in an Aero Engineering course at Rice U. RVSM pending and Engine AD restrict us to FL280 and I get 203 KEAS at 530 pph ~80gph IV-P 205 KIAS at FL240 and 75% 25 gph, So far Eclipse Air Conditioning is not very good- same problem as Lancair with heat loading of cabin with bleed air. We're considering a West coast trip next week from Houston via Colorado/Wyoming to COE, Idaho, then SEA, RDM Oregon, SJC/MRY CA, and back to TX. If you are headed along such a route and want to share a VLJ, collect some Performance data, and stick time, for some gas money, give me a holler. Bill Miller, USN-TPS IP CFI ATP IV-P 440 hrs, IV-p 55 hrs, EA50 20 hrs (+100hrs pre-Ch 11) ------=_NextPart_000_011A_01CD2CE8.22994FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Are we getting into a IVP vs Evolution war here?  Not much = future in that, but I do recall when I started building my IVP two = lifetimes ago, that one of the major incentives was investment resale = value.  I was going to be adding to my net worth by building this = thing. 

 

Now it’s worth a lot less than I have in it.  =

 

No reason to expect time and circumstances to be so unkind to Evo = owners but it is true that things rarely turn out just the way we think = they will when we get down the road. =   

 

Regards,

John Barrett

 

 

 

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = bu131@swbell.net
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:46 = AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats = EA50

 

You are so = kind with your comments
The original question was using an early = eclipse vintage, certainly we are not talking about gulfstreams = here
Keep in mind I have no idea of the cost of a vintage eclipse but = I can assure you that the resale value of an evo will beat the hell of = whatever investment you put on the initial choice
And I hope you have = a good day too

Sent via = BlackBerry by AT&T

From: "John = Hafen" <j.hafen@comcast.net> =

Sender: = "Lancair Mailing List" <lml@lancaironline.net> =

Date: Mon, 07 May = 2012 07:51:20 -0400

To: = <lml@lancaironline.net><= /o:p>

ReplyTo: "Lancair = Mailing List" <lml@lancaironline.net> =

Subject: [LML] Re: = Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats = EA50

 

Well, perhaps because the Evo costs 3X what my IVP = costs.

 

Why don’t you try a Citation, or a = Gulfstream?

 

John Hafen

IVP 413AJ 400 Hours

 

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of Dr Andres Katz
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 = 9:13 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sub= ject: [LML] Re: Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats = EA50

 

why dont you try an = evo

i get 300+ to 310 at 28k usually run 28 gph = and goes 1500 miles

check flightaware for mine redmond dallas = non stop with 15 kts tailwind

landed = with 40 gallons 

the final = a/c after the guys at lancair diddled with it and placed an additional = air cooler in front of the cowling works perfectly i even have a fresh = air modulator now

beats the hell of the eclipse and the new = garmin a/p works as magic instead of = the 

*%#* = sorcerer

 

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F= rom: = "cwfmd@yahoo.com" = <cwfmd@yahoo.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net =
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 9:25 AM
Subject: [LML] = Necessity of A/C in IV-P? IV-P still beats EA50

 

I tried flying = without AC in the summer in Houston. You can dump the door seal and get = some relief above say 6000 feet, but I wouldn't do it with passengers, = ears etc. I also tried hot wx army vests with cooling. Weird feeling too = cold over your chest and your head's too hot.... The desert cooler = worked pretty good but iced up the windows... cool but = IMC
 After about 3 years of this, we installed AC.
 We = just made a deal on an early "vintage" Eclipse. We are using = it in an Aero Engineering course at Rice U. RVSM pending and Engine AD = restrict us to FL280 and I get 203 KEAS at 530 pph ~80gph
IV-P 205 = KIAS at FL240 and 75% 25 gph, So far Eclipse Air Conditioning is not = very good- same problem as Lancair with heat loading of cabin with bleed = air.
 We're considering a West coast trip next week from Houston = via Colorado/Wyoming to COE, Idaho, then SEA, RDM Oregon, SJC/MRY CA, = and back to TX. If you are headed along such a route and want to share a = VLJ, collect some Performance data, and stick time, for some gas money, = give me a holler.
Bill Miller,
USN-TPS IP CFI ATP
IV-P 440 = hrs, IV-p 55 hrs, EA50 20 hrs (+100hrs pre-Ch = 11)

 

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