X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 08:18:08 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTP id 5447896 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:18:46 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.65; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HN2/5aezsCB6zUIZkLe40FQDE519rq7hJZsgmuwHEwm3zTabH8kw2hT3UEF7eOO5; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [12.50.1.2] (helo=[192.168.5.241]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1S9eLa-0005Wt-Vi for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:18:11 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: [LML] Top End Overhaul (TSIO550E) at 440 hrs TT (LIVP) From: Colyn Case In-Reply-To: X-Original-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:18:09 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Message-Id: References: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da9408149f41f31e9182557478c428ca01170350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 12.50.1.2 Jeff, Sorry to hear of these issues. Thanks for sharing the information. =20 The conclusion I came to was that you have to take a brand new engine to = a good custom shop to finish the job. I assume you are doing something = this time to match up guides, seats, valves? On the moisture issue, almost everybody says continentals make water. = Most are happy to leave the oil cap off. Some add cam-guard. I went = further and put a air-wolf air/oil sep fed by the vac pump to bring the = temp in the separator above 212 dF. The theory is that this will blow = the water vapor overboard in flight. My theory is that most air/oil = separators aggravate the moisture problem. I don't have this setup = flying yet so can't report results. Colyn On Mar 19, 2012, at 3:17 AM, Jeffrey Liegner, MD wrote: Lancair Friends, During my annual inspection, I found six cylinders with low compressions = (20-30 over 80). Yes, Master Orifice and all the right techniques. We = should know by now that BORESCOPE is the important step, and this was = done. Exhaust valve seats were eroded and pitted, causing leakage. = Valve face had mild thermal changes and stems were good. A repair was = planned. Cylinders were pulled and inspected, confirming exhaust valve seats were = the problem, and replacements were planned. Further inspection showed = some mild corrosion on some rods, wrist pins, even the cylinder barrels. = Evidence of moisture in the oil was apparent (more on this below). I = decided I would get the ECI Nickel+Carbide coating (CermiNil process). = The turn around time would have been four weeks minimum plus further = reassembly and shipping, or I could get ready to go refurb'd compete = cylinders, already coated and reassembled, immediately. Hence, a = complete Top End Overhaul. Discussions regarding why this 2006 fast build TCM engine (flying since = 2007, now out of warranty) was having this problem revealed several = illuminating tidbits. One custom engine shop said "those cylinders are = doomed from the first time you run the engine." Others explained that = these engines are assembled with factory-style production, not custom = production, and so parts are placed and efficiencies taken to improve = production. Another explained that the valve seats are pre-reamed = rather than post-reamed after installation, creating an opportunity for = poor interaction with the valve edge, malposition and wobble, leading to = early failure. This appears to be a common issue for the engines around = my 2006 era. It's not confirmed, but there is rumor that their practice = of using pre-reamed guides ended after they finished using up their = inventory in late 2007. The moisture in the engine is presumed to come from the hanger's = humidity, a result of poor pitch of the asphalt, seepage under the = hanger door/edges, trapped moisture inside the hanger. I fly once or = twice a week, oil gets to 200*F typically before I open the oil door). = I have not opened and vented the oil filler cap after flight (and I will = now). I may add a dehumidifier in the hanger, and/or engine dessicator = (ex, from Tempest) (comments welcomed). I will see about moving hangers = or more effectively sealing the perimeter of my hanger floor. Other = ideas are welcomed. I have Chelton and full engine monitoring. The engine's CAUTION = warnings come on at a conservative 380*F CHT, REDLINE at 400*F, and only = twice has CHT on two cylinders reached 412*F. Oil consumption has been = low. Engine oil analysis every 50 hours has not been revealing. I fly = LOP and do the "Big Mixture Pull" shortly after take off, with 19 gph, = 34"/2500 being a typical climb climb setting, occasionally keeping this = in cruise vs 31.5". Just sharing my recent experience with an expensive engine problem = that's happened too early. Jeff Liegner Sparta, NJ